I strongly believe that Paul taught a resurection of the body in 1 Corinthians 15 (as the rest of the scriptures teach).
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Jesus' Human Body
by UnDisfellowshipped inhave you noticed that when jesus christ, the son of god, the lord of lords, said something in the bible that the watchtower society disagrees with, the society will either (1) ignore it almost completely or (2) talk about that scripture, but then, they will twist it around to mean the exact opposite of what he plainly said?.
a good example of this is the insight book (volume 2), page 1,083 ("temple"):on one occasion, when the jews demanded a sign from jesus, he replied: "break down this temple, and in three days i will raise it up.
" the jews thought he was speaking of the temple building, but the apostle john explains: "he was talking about the temple of his body.
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Some Creation/ Flood Resource Arcticles
by hooberus inthe following are some interesting creationist online arcticles which i think may prove helpful for those for those with a serious interest in the subject:.
"the paradigm of naturalism compared with a viable alternative: a scientific philosophy for the study of origins": excerpt: "i heard a prominent scientist state that 'even if creation was right i would have to deny it to be a scientist.
' to understand why a reputable scientist would make such a statement, it is necessary to understand the role of naturalism in science.
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The following are some interesting creationist online arcticles which I think may prove helpful for those for those with a serious interest in the subject:
"The Paradigm of Naturalism Compared with a Viable Alternative: A Scientific Philosophy for the Study of Origins": excerpt: "I heard a prominent scientist state that 'even if creation was right I would have to deny it to be a scientist.' To understand why a reputable scientist would make such a statement, it is necessary to understand the role of naturalism in science. . . .": http://www.grisda.org/origins/23006.pdf
"Implications of Paraconformities": http://www.grisda.org/georpts/36.pdf
"Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials Confirming the Young-Earth Creation and Flood Model": http://www.icr.org/pdf/research/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf This paper -written by 4 qualified scientists- gives both independent evidence for the recent creation and global flood (the presence of significant quantities of 14C throught the geological record indicates a recent age for all samples -which additionally would also thus indicate/require a recent global catastrophe for their deposition), as well as an explanation for the ratios within the catastrophic paradigm (for the additional possibility that much of the observed amount of 14C could have been possibly generated by a recent period of accelerated decay of sister materials see the more recent RATE results books by same authors.) . see also: "Evolutionary Explanations for Anomalous Radio Carbon in Coal": http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/abstr...stracts41-2.htm This arcticle was written to refute the claim that the radioactive decay of other isotopes (such as unranium) in rocks could at current rates produce the quantities of 14C observed. excerpt discussed by Fred Williams: "Rotta showed in a long, detailed analysis that 'The concentrations observed in coal are at least a factor of 100,000 more than what could be generated by neutron activation within the coal, and this is the best case. There is just not enough C-14 generated by the low-probability radium decays, spontaneous fission or neutron activation of the coal. The anomalous concentrations of C-14 in coal cannot be explained by any of these generating processes.' BTW, Rotta also cited evolutionists who admit that contamination is a toothless excuse, since the examples of in situ carbon-14 are so abundant." excerpt from William's site.
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Please, Help Me Understand,How Does Somethng come from Nothing.
by Blueblades inwhether it is god or the beginning of evolution, how did it come from nothing?
we are here, that is a fact, where did we come from?
belief systems are another thing, where is the proof of anything?.
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hooberus
when witnoids and creationists say:
If God is eternal (Psalm 90:2) then He couldn't have "come from nothing".
you can tell that they are not really thinking about it, as they are happy with the answer from the bible. it's called Mental Discontinuity.
TS
The point that I made is logically valid as well- an eternal being could not have "come from" "nothing"
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New Kansas Science Standards
by hooberus inthe following are the recently approved "kansas science standards" (taken from official site).
http://www.ksde.org/outcomes/sciencestd.doc.
read them for youselves, and compare with how they have been represented by evolutionists and the media.
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hooberus
The following are the recently approved "Kansas Science Standards" (taken from official site)
http://www.ksde.org/outcomes/sciencestd.doc
Read them for youselves, and compare with how they have been represented by evolutionists and the media.
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Please, Help Me Understand,How Does Somethng come from Nothing.
by Blueblades inwhether it is god or the beginning of evolution, how did it come from nothing?
we are here, that is a fact, where did we come from?
belief systems are another thing, where is the proof of anything?.
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hooberus
No one teaches there was ever nothing. The bible describes god as 'abundant energy'.
where?
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Please, Help Me Understand,How Does Somethng come from Nothing.
by Blueblades inwhether it is god or the beginning of evolution, how did it come from nothing?
we are here, that is a fact, where did we come from?
belief systems are another thing, where is the proof of anything?.
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hooberus
Whether it is God or the Beginning of Evolution, how did it come from nothing? We are here, that is a fact, where did we come from? I don't know where we are going? Belief systems are another thing, where is the proof of anything?
Blueblades,
If God is eternal (Psalm 90:2) then He couldn't have "come from nothing".
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Problems in the bible
by Vormek2.8 inhistorical problems, inconsistencies, and contradictions comprise a significant part of the bible: .
(1) "thirty and two years old was he (jehoram--ed.
) when he began to reign, and he reigned in jerusalem 8 years, and departed without being desired.
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hooberus
For potential answers to the other problems see:
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Problems in the bible
by Vormek2.8 inhistorical problems, inconsistencies, and contradictions comprise a significant part of the bible: .
(1) "thirty and two years old was he (jehoram--ed.
) when he began to reign, and he reigned in jerusalem 8 years, and departed without being desired.
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believe that the standing army for Israel numbered 36,000 (a division of 24,000 from above plus 12,000 Jerusalm guard) and for Judah 30,000 (accoring to Geisler). This gives a total of 66,000 for the full time army at any month, which is reasonable.
During the time of David, Israel had a "surge" capacity of 1,100,000 and Judah had a "surge" capacity of 500,000. This gives a total of 1,600,000 males of military age. The war described in 2 Chronichles 13 took place probably over 60 years after David's census which would allow the potential military age population to grow well above 1,600,000. Thus there were more than enough men to participate in a short war involving 1,200,000 men.
During the exodus the number of military age men is listed at around 600,000. Given the long period of time between the exodus and 2 Chronicles 13 there is more than sufficient time for the numbers to grow to that point.
Today Israel can mobilize a 600,000 person army consisting of "regularly trained reserves" within 72 hours!
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/army.htm
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Problems in the bible
by Vormek2.8 inhistorical problems, inconsistencies, and contradictions comprise a significant part of the bible: .
(1) "thirty and two years old was he (jehoram--ed.
) when he began to reign, and he reigned in jerusalem 8 years, and departed without being desired.
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Others census' in the Bible are supported by the fact that figures for all the other tribes are also listed and totaled. Hense an actual census.
Numbers 1The Census of Israel's Warriors
1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tent of meeting, on (1) the first of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
2 " (2) Take a [1] census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, every male, head by head
3 from (3) twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall [2] number them by their armies.
4 "With you, moreover, there shall be a man of each tribe, (4) each one head of his father's household.
5 "These then are the names of the men who shall stand with you: (5) of Reuben, Elizur the son of Shedeur;
6 of Simeon, Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai;
7 of Judah, (6) Nahshon the son of Amminadab;
8 of Issachar, Nethanel the son of Zuar;
9 of Zebulun, Eliab the son of Helon;
10 of the sons of Joseph: of Ephraim, Elishama the son of Ammihud; of Manasseh, Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur;
11 of Benjamin, Abidan the son of Gideoni;
12 of Dan, Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai;
13 of Asher, Pagiel the son of Ochran;
14 of Gad, Eliasaph the son of (7) Deuel;
15 of Naphtali, Ahira the son of Enan.
16 "These are they who were (8) called of the congregation, the leaders of their fathers' tribes; they were the (9) heads of [3] divisions of Israel."
17 So Moses and Aaron took these men who had been designated by name,
18 and they assembled all the congregation together on the (10) first of the second month. Then they registered by (11) ancestry in their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, head by head,
19 just as (12) the LORD had commanded Moses. So he numbered them in the wilderness of Sinai.
20 (13) Now the sons of Reuben, Israel's firstborn, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, head by head, every male from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
21 their numbered men of the tribe of Reuben were 46,500.
22 (14) Of the sons of Simeon, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, their numbered men, according to the number of names, head by head, every male from twenty years old and upward, (15) whoever was able to go out to war,
23 their numbered men of the tribe of Simeon were 59,300.
24 (16) Of the sons of Gad, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
25 their numbered men of the tribe of Gad were 45,650.
26 (17) Of the sons of Judah, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
27 their numbered men of the tribe of Judah were 74,600.
28 (18) Of the sons of Issachar, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
29 their numbered men of the tribe of Issachar were 54,400.
30 (19) Of the sons of Zebulun, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
31 their numbered men of the tribe of Zebulun were 57,400.
32 (20) Of the sons of Joseph, namely, of the sons of Ephraim, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
33 their numbered men of the tribe of Ephraim were 40,500.
34 (21) Of the sons of Manasseh, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
35 their numbered men of the tribe of Manasseh were 32,200.
36 (22) Of the sons of Benjamin, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
37 their numbered men of the tribe of Benjamin were 35,400.
38 (23) Of the sons of Dan, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
39 their numbered men of the tribe of Dan were 62,700.
40 (24) Of the sons of Asher, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
41 their numbered men of the tribe of Asher were 41,500.
42 (25) Of the sons of Naphtali, their genealogical registration by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war,
43 their numbered men of the tribe of Naphtali were 53,400.
44 These are the ones who were numbered, whom Moses and Aaron numbered, with the leaders of Israel, twelve men, each of whom was of his father's household.
45 So all the numbered men of the sons of Israel by their fathers' households, from twenty years old and upward, whoever was able to go out to war in Israel,
46 even all the numbered men were (26) 603,550.From counts here it shows that the number of militarily capable men during the time of the Exodus was 603,550. This does not mean that they ware a standing army though, but only that they were "able to go out to war" Also a later count in the book of Numbers gives slightly higher figures for each of the tribes adding up to slightly higher number due to population growth between the two censuses. Thus the book of numbers gives two specific censuses (each one broken down by tribes).
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Problems in the bible
by Vormek2.8 inhistorical problems, inconsistencies, and contradictions comprise a significant part of the bible: .
(1) "thirty and two years old was he (jehoram--ed.
) when he began to reign, and he reigned in jerusalem 8 years, and departed without being desired.
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- (12) "Abijah set the battle in array with an army of valiant men of war, even 400,000 chosen men; Jeroboam also set the battle in array against him with 800,000 chosen men, being mighty men of valour" (2 chron. 13:3). All these soldiers were Jews; all lived in Palestine, a poor miserable little country about 1/4th the size of New York. Yet, 1,200,000 soldiers were put in the field. This would have required a population of 10 to 12 million which is absurd. Palestine could have barely supported 2,000,000.
Previously I took the time to deal in debth with this claim. Here are info from previous posts:
The number of combatants in 2 Chronicles 13 is certainly possible.
Firstly other places in the Old testament give the number of the standing army as being much smaller.
1 Chronicles 27Commanders of the Army
1 Now this is the enumeration of the sons of Israel, the heads of fathers' households, the commanders of thousands and of hundreds, and their officers who served the king in all the affairs of the divisions which came in and went out month by month throughout all the months of the year, each division numbering 24,000:
2 Jashobeam the son of Zabdiel [1] (1) had charge of the first division for the first month; and in his division were 24,000.
3 He was from the sons of Perez, and was chief of all the commanders of the army for the first month.
4 Dodai the Ahohite and his division had charge of the division for the second month, Mikloth being the chief officer; and in his division were 24,000.
5 The third commander of the army for the third month was Benaiah, the son of Jehoiada the priest, as chief; and in his division were 24,000.
6 This Benaiah was the mighty man of the thirty, and had charge of thirty; and over his division was Ammizabad his son.
7 The fourth for the fourth month was Asahel the brother of Joab, and Zebadiah his son after him; and in his division were 24,000.
8 The fifth for the fifth month was the commander Shamhuth the Izrahite; and in his division were 24,000.
9 The sixth for the sixth month was Ira the son of Ikkesh the Tekoite; and in his division were 24,000.
10 The seventh for the seventh month was Helez the Pelonite of the sons of Ephraim; and in his division were 24,000.
11 The eighth for the eighth month was Sibbecai the Hushathite of the Zerahites; and in his division were 24,000.
12 The ninth for the ninth month was Abiezer the Anathothite of the Benjamites; and in his division were 24,000.
13 The tenth for the tenth month was Maharai the Netophathite of the Zerahites; and in his division were 24,000.
14 The eleventh for the eleventh month was Benaiah the Pirathonite of the sons of Ephraim; and in his division were 24,000.
15 The twelfth for the twelfth month was Heldai the Netophathite of Othniel; and in his division were 24,000.This gives a standing army of 288,000 (which may not have all served at one time, but on a rotational schedule)
1 Now this is the enumeration of the sons of Israel, the heads of fathers' households, the commanders of thousands and of hundreds, and their officers who served the king in all the affairs of the divisions which came in and went out month by month throughout all the months of the year, each division numbering 24,000:The combatants in 2 chronicles 13 were alomost certainly not a full time, paid, force of professional soldiers such as the Romans later had.
I live in Kansas and would estimate the full time paid number of soldiers in the US military from Kansas at approx. 20,000. However if necessary (for example in an all out short term battle with Nebraska) I estimate that a force of 600,000 men of fighting age could be assembled ( 50% of the male population under age 65.) Of course this force could only be sustained fror a short period.
Kansas Population Statistics
US Census 2002 Total Population Estimate 2,715,884 2002 Population Under Age 65 Estimate 2,360,790 2002 Population Age 65 and Older Estimate 355,094 2002 Births 38,652 2002 Deaths 25,528 2002 Net International Migration 9,200 2002 Net Internal Migration -8,656 The number of potential fighters in 2 Chronicles 13 is also backed up by the census taken during the life of David when he "numbered Israel"
1 Chronicles 21Census Brings Pestilence
1 (1) Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel.
2 So David said to Joab and to the princes of the people, " (2) Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan, and bring me word that I may know their number."
3 Joab said, " (3) May the LORD add to His people a hundred times as many as they are! But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? Why does my lord seek this thing? Why should he be a cause of guilt to Israel?"
4 Nevertheless, the king's word prevailed against Joab. Therefore, Joab departed and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem.
5 Joab gave the number of the census of all the people to David. And (4) all Israel were 1,100,000 men who drew the sword; and Judah was 470,000 men who drew the sword.
6 (5) But he did not number Levi and Benjamin among them, for the king's command was abhorrent to Joab.This was not the full time standing army which was much smaller. Also the figures above from the census can be matched up precisely with other totals of sub-divisions from other old testament passages. This shows that they were actual numbers and not just made up. I will try to list the accounting later showing the total number of able bodied fighting males in Israel and Judah as well as the figures for the standing army which was much smaller.