Posts by Slappy

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...Are Jehovah`s Witness`s Christian`s?...

by OUTLAW in

christians recognize "jesus",as the mediator between god and man.....jehovah`s witness`s recognize the "watchtower bible and tract society",as the mediator between god and man.....jesus is out of a job!

!..the wbt$ fired him a long time ago!..lol!

!......................jehovah`s witness`s don`t follow the words of jesus.they follow the words of the wbt$.....are jehovah`s witness`s christian`s?...................................outlaw

Slappy

I've actually thought of doing that...by quoting 2 John 9-11 to them...

"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds."

Speaking of which, is the end of the world happening again? Because they were making the rounds last weekend; for the first time in 4 months or so. Didn't come around today because the weather was lousy; guess that just goes to show how dedicated they are(not).

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...Are Jehovah`s Witness`s Christian`s?...

by OUTLAW in

christians recognize "jesus",as the mediator between god and man.....jehovah`s witness`s recognize the "watchtower bible and tract society",as the mediator between god and man.....jesus is out of a job!

!..the wbt$ fired him a long time ago!..lol!

!......................jehovah`s witness`s don`t follow the words of jesus.they follow the words of the wbt$.....are jehovah`s witness`s christian`s?...................................outlaw

Slappy

Ephesians 2:8-9 is the most commonly used portion, but here are a few others...

"Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings fro the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel..." 2 Timothy 1:8-10

"...to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law." Romans 3:26-28

And I found this next portion quite interesting...

"And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work." Romans 11:6

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Most damning portion?

by Slappy in

apparently this didn't post the first time...or my comp is just acting up; sorry if there ends up being two of these.. *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************.

is luke 23:39-43 the single most damning portion in the bible for the jw, mormon, and other similar 'religions' that profess to believe in the god of the bible?

when did the thief do good works in order to attain his salvation?

Slappy

Apparently this didn't post the first time...or my comp is just acting up; sorry if there ends up being two of these.

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Is Luke 23:39-43 the single most damning portion in the Bible for the JW, Mormon, and other similar 'religions' that profess to believe in the God of the Bible?

When did the thief do good works in order to attain his salvation? When did he have the time to follow a 'religious' body and adhere to its rules in order that he may attain salvation?

Just a random thought I found interesting.

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...Are Jehovah`s Witness`s Christian`s?...

by OUTLAW in

christians recognize "jesus",as the mediator between god and man.....jehovah`s witness`s recognize the "watchtower bible and tract society",as the mediator between god and man.....jesus is out of a job!

!..the wbt$ fired him a long time ago!..lol!

!......................jehovah`s witness`s don`t follow the words of jesus.they follow the words of the wbt$.....are jehovah`s witness`s christian`s?...................................outlaw

Slappy

Here's one of them...

"...that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:7-9

Most damning portion?

by Slappy in

is luke 23:39-43 the single most damning portion in the bible for the jw, mormon, and other similar 'religions' that profess to believe in the god of the bible?

when did the thief do good works in order to attain his salvation?

when did he have the time to follow a 'religious' body and adhere to its rules in order that he may attain salvation?

Slappy

Is Luke 23:39-43 the single most damning portion in the Bible for the JW, Mormon, and other similar 'religions' that profess to believe in the God of the Bible?

When did the thief do good works in order to attain his salvation? When did he have the time to follow a 'religious' body and adhere to its rules in order that he may attain salvation?

Just a random thought I found interesting.

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If we know it's a Crock.....

by cameo-d in

does that make us the anti-christ?.

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Slappy

Good point, however... Was the OT God a hoax, or was the Pharisee's interpretation of the OT God a hoax? Just like is God a hoax, or is the JW (or any other self-serving 'religious organization') interpretation of God a hoax? Jesus did, after all, quote many a time from the OT. I find it hard to believe that He would seek to bring a 'new' God to the Jews and then quote from the OT. But maybe I'm missing something.

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Witnesses = christian? consider this:

by DoomVoyager in

i was bored at the bookstudy the other night, and the book being studied is of course "live with jehovah's day in mind".

this book is (ostensibly) based entirely off ot writings, specifically the minor prophets.

however, you'd expect to see the odd mention of jesus here and there, seeing as they do claim to be christians and all?.

Slappy

Who knows anymore. "Christian" used to mean 'Christ-like'. What does it mean in today's vernacular? It's a hollow term anymore :-( I'm still curious how they have dealt with 1 John. It seems to me that that book in particular is more damning to JW belief than any other. "By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." 1 John 4:2-3 And most especially all of chapter 5. If I were in the upper echelon of the organization, I think I'd be more comfortable just eliminating that particular book altogether.

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Are there any religions that worship God but do not believe in an Afterlife

by jwfacts in

it seems that people only worship god for the reward of a resurrection.

people normally do not admit that, and say that even if there was no resurrection they would worship god for the life that he has given them.

a good indication of whether this could be true is if religions existed that worshipped god but do not believe in a soul or resurrection or everlasting life.

Slappy

What did Christ say to the thief on the cross? "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:38 If I believe in God, why would I doubt Him in some regards and believe Him in others?

Every believer that I have ever had the joy of meeting acts in a way that is right and true because their God and Savior desires it. The 'afterlife' has never been a driving force to behave in such a manner. We view God as our Father, among many other things, and as any child that loves his parents, we want to make Him happy. Do children obey their parents because they have this threat of doom hanging over them? NO! That would be 'ruling' through fear. Parents love their children, and the children, being loved, will return that love. The best way to return that love is by obeying one's parents. This is because any true parent knows what is best for his/her children and will desire those things for their children. So, when the child obeys his/her parents, it gives the parent joy because they know that their child is growing up in a way that is right and will be beneficial to that child and so many others. And the child, knowing that obedience will bring joy to the parent, will be obedient because he/she loves his/her parents and wants to bring joy into their life. Not once has a bribe/goad entered the equation; because where the love is real and true, there is no need.

Heaven is not a 'bribe, and Hell is not a 'goad'. They are more like 'facts' than anything. If a child is obedient to his/her parents and holds to those things that were taught by the parents, their life will be full and happy. However, if that child does not obey his/her parents and strays from the teachings of his/her parents then that life will be one of much suffering. Heaven and Hell operate in exactly the same way.

Btw, it's awfully weird how there are so many different religions in the world, and yet they share similar traits: God(s) and an afterlife. It's almost like they had to have a single common source huh? I wonder what person(s) came up with the idea of a God(s) and an afterlife. Of course, if we take the words from one who was wiser than any of us can ever hope to be: "That which has been is what will be, that which is done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which it may be said, 'See, this is new'? It has already been in ancient times before us." Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 Then it appears that man is unable to come up with such an idea on his own. He must draw on his surroundings to come up with such an idea. Afterall, where would Darwin be if he didn't have his environment from which to draw conclusions?

Brother Apostate...your post is sooooo true.

I think another poster mentioned Universalism. It meets 'mammons' feel-good desires without compromising anything. It was formed out of the fabric of man's own desires and needs and not much else. But because it is made to specifically meet those 'needs' that man feels today, it is gaining in popularity as it allows man to feel good about himself/herself without giving much thought to God and worrying whether or not they can make it to heaven. Now man can have a sense of 'spirituality' in which to 'fill' that part of him that has always been empty. That's always been man's answer; if he doesn't like the solutions at hand, then he'll just make a new one.

Anyway, far be it that I should critique something that makes so many others feel good about themselves. I've got to go purchase more Meth for my little cousin anyway; afterall, he has the same right as everybody else to feel good, no matter his methods.

slappy

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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!

by Slappy in

atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.

give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.

if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?

Slappy

First off, I'm sorry you think I've been snide. I've actually gone out of my way not to be. Honestly, I'm trying to have sympathy for you because I was once where you are now, so I'm biting my tongue.

Er, snide may have been a 'strong' adjective, but it's the first word that came to mind. "...although I doubt you will take the time to actually look into them." Is what I had reference to. Maybe it was an honest attempt at rev. psych. I will study up on your suggestions as time allows; if only I could quite my job and study full-time, that would be incredible. Granted, I'm not saying that I'm looking for an alternative to my belief, however, I do want to understand the 'other side' in as equal a manner as I understand mine. I'll admit that I'm quite set in my belief in God. However, that doesn't mean I'm restricted in learning and understanding another perspective, however much the actions of other 'religious' people seem to contradict that statement .

"the burden of proof is on the one making the claim and the more unusual the claim, the more proof is needed." Something like that. So the one claiming there is a supernatural being is the one that needs to prove it. If I said there was a pink dragon in my garage that was invisible, etc., the burden would be on me to prove it, not everyone else to disprove it.

I've heard this argument put forth several times. "...the more unusual the claim..." all depends on perspective does it not? I also believe, as I'm sure many others will, that our individual experiences are the main contributing factor to our beliefs. Some may argue that location is the deciding factor, but I disagree.

stated that he's only 99.9% sure of atheism, as it really can't be proven.

True, and neither can God. To make the statement that we are 100% sure of either is an arrogance that is unfounded. We are all human, and are subject to our many imperfections. Now I'm aware that I came across as being 100% sure of God, and I want to apologize for that. That probably wasn't the best tone to start things with.

So don't ask for proof when you have made your mind up in advance - the scientific community has nothing to offer you - it stands for progress, research and the balance of probabilities.

I believe this can apply in the reverse also, no? A non-believer asking for proof when his/her mind is already made up about the non-existence of God. The believing community has nothing to offer - it stands for faith, love, happiness, and the many other things that the Bible teaches. However, I've realized my folly in trying to convince people who have no care to believe, so I will do my best to refrain from doing so in the future. Now, as I mentioned earlier, I'll apply myself to understanding, more completely, the opposing belief.

Control myself? Right, good response to what I asked you. Ok, I won't type in capital letters anymore...

I asked for proof from you, and all you could come back with was asking me for proof. Like I said, if you can't contribute to the conversation, then remain a spectator. Your two cents (that's all it was--a quick 'blib' here and a quick 'blib' there) was getting in the way of an honest discussion. I'd be more than happy to give you my explanation for the need of faith, but would it do any good? No! So I'll leave it alone as I know it cannot and will not be appreciated by you.

So, what I propose now, is that instead of belittling the other's ideas and beliefs, you can ask me why I believe in God and why faith is necessary or anything else (preferably honest questions--nothing like "why didn't he leave instructions to make toilet paper"), or don't ask anything at all (you've probably heard 'all' the answers anyway). However, I'm more than willing to read any articles/ideas you have that explain your side of the argument. However, keep in mind that I do actually have a life outside this hobby of mine and am incapable of intaking everything at once (I should be studying for the CPA, seeing as how it's slightly more relevant, if undeniably boring and not nearly as interesting).

Thx again to those who actually provided useful and applicable feedback.

slappy

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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!

by Slappy in

atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.

give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.

if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?

Slappy

Shawn, I understand. That's where faith comes into play. However, I will not go into what has been beat to death several thousand times over; for all our sakes.

My point was that myself and others have given our reasons for believing in God and NOT believing in the alternative. All I'm asking is for your reasons for believing what you do. Realize, however, that this is different from giving reasons for NOT believing in God. I want to know what is so damn convincing about evolution that one would rather believe 'that' than in God.

You're right, reading a book will never do the job. There has to be experiences in our lives that influence us. That is how we truly learn after-all, through experiences. It has been my experiences that have led me to the Bible and the truths that I feel are contained there-in. In then applying those truths to my life, and trying my dammdest to live my life as God would have me live it, I have realized that I truly am better off for that.

slappy