many of us are aware of the stroke that raymond franz had yesterday,.
that he is on life support and it doesn't look like he is going to pull through.. someone on another thread mentioned if he didn't survive how many.
was planning on attending his funeral.. to me this deserves its own thread.. .
It looks like there is still worship of Governing Body members by stupid herding cattle even out here in the Great Apostasy
B-Rock you ******* ***** ** ****
It's honor not worship.
I'd tell you what I really think of you if this thread wasn't about Ray and him fighting for his life.
EDITED: I originally in this post typed something back in retaliation to B-Rock but have went back and edited it out since
I don't want him to derail a thread that is about being supportive and helpful to the franz.
many of us are aware of the stroke that raymond franz had yesterday,.
that he is on life support and it doesn't look like he is going to pull through.. someone on another thread mentioned if he didn't survive how many.
was planning on attending his funeral.. to me this deserves its own thread.. .
serenitynow!
I sure hope it doesn't come across to his family/friends as you described. Such was not my intent.
Even in my opening post near the end you can see where I had typed if he does die, not that he will.
That is why even in the thread title I put in honor of Ray not in memory of Ray.
I'm hoping he pulls through and that both he and his family will be able to go back and look at these threads
over the last two days and see how much love and support is being sent to both he and his wife during this
health crisis.
And hopefully he will see that people that had never met him in person were so affected positively in their life by his
words and actions, were willing to put their own lives on hold, to be there to try and provide some form of comfort
and support for his wife,whom he dearly loves.
I can't speak for him, but I know it would mean a lot to me if something I said or done had helped even just one person
and they in turn tried to be there for my wife in her time of need and sorrow.
many of us are aware of the stroke that raymond franz had yesterday,.
that he is on life support and it doesn't look like he is going to pull through.. someone on another thread mentioned if he didn't survive how many.
was planning on attending his funeral.. to me this deserves its own thread.. .
Many of us are aware of the stroke that Raymond Franz had yesterday,
that he is on life support and it doesn't look like he is going to pull through.
Someone on another thread mentioned if he didn't survive how many
was planning on attending his funeral.
To me this deserves its own thread.
Many on here talk about meet-ups,apostafests,get togethers,
dinner dates and various other social events to meet like minded
individuals or just someone who maybe,hopefully can understand what
they went through or are going through as relates to either being raised
a JW,marrying a JW or being involved with the WTBTS in someway.
But I ask what better way is there to meet than in honor of someone who
helped so many to see the truth about the "truth" and help so many to come
to grips with their doubts,fears,anxieties over the WT organization?
To me Ray has done no less than what people such as Martin Luther did
when they were willing to stand up to the establishment, all in the name of
truth and in searching for the truth and not just what some men told them was
the "truth".
Remember how the WT Society has mentioned in print and from the
platform countless times how those who leave the Organization are bitter,
oppressive, ravenous wolves with no hope and only trying to mislead
and draw a following after themselves. Ray appeared to be none of those
things. How it must still to this day bother the Governoring Body of the WT
that all the things they predicted as far as dates failed, along with all the things
they said would happen to those who left the "safety" of the Org has failed as
well. Ray was a constant reminder to them of the error of their ways.
The first ever doubt about the organization that I can recall from memory
had to do with Ray being a former member of the GB and how could one
such as he leave Jah's Organization being so high up and not be struck
by lightning. (I was a teenager and it helped plant the first seeds)
So I would like to take this opportunity to express my thanks and appreciation
to a man who lit the way for so many of us to see the way out of a dark,controlling,
manipulative man-made organization. Thank you Ray Franz.
If he does die can you imagine the "witness" to the world as well as particularly
current J.W.'s if a lot of us showed up for the funeral to show our respects,
give our condolences in person, as well as sent flowers,cards etc.
It would show them how much he was truly loved,admired and respected as a
person.
Not as a label such as "Apostate","former member" etc.
In closing I'm planning on attending the funeral (if open to the public and not a private memorial)
even though it will be hours of driving time.
How about you? Any of you hoping to get to attend or planning on going?
i found this interesting news on motherhood in the us vs other countries.. a woman in the us has a pregnancy death risk that is five times h igher than a woman living in bosnia, greece or italy, and ten times as big as an irishi woman, states the report on motherhood in various countries.. on child mortality_ eight in a thousand children in the us dies before the age of five, placing us on the same level as slovakia and montenegro.. an american child has twice the chance of daying before it is five than a child in finland, iceland, sweden or singapore.. only 61 per cent of children in the usa attend a kindergarten, making the united states number seven among developing countries, counting from the bottom that is.
no other industrialialised country has such a bad mother maternity arrangement as the us (considing both the length and salary).
norway is the country which has the honor of being number 1 on being a mother.. the maternity leave is currently at at 44 weeks with full salary (based on your job before the pregnancy.
A few issues I've got to get over before considering the study:
An American child has twice the chance of daying before it is five than a child in Finland, Iceland, Sweden or Singapore.
Is "daying" suppose to be dying?
Only 61 per cent of children in the USA attend a kindergarten, making the United States number seven among developing countries, counting from the bottom that is. No other industrialialised country has such a bad mother maternity arrangement as the US (considing both the length and salary).
Is 'industrialialised" suppose to be industrialized?
And why would they say "bad mother maternity arrangement"? The word maternity denotes motherhood.
Have they ever heard of a bad father maternity arrangement?
I can only assume the parts I've quoted above was typed in a hurry and without the aid of a spell checker.
I normally won't draw attention to such things and will gloss over them when reading but when referring to a study it
hurts the credibility of said study if attention to detail is not given.
Could you provide a link to the study?
I would like to see what criteria they went by in doing the comparisons.
i found this interesting news on motherhood in the us vs other countries.. a woman in the us has a pregnancy death risk that is five times h igher than a woman living in bosnia, greece or italy, and ten times as big as an irishi woman, states the report on motherhood in various countries.. on child mortality_ eight in a thousand children in the us dies before the age of five, placing us on the same level as slovakia and montenegro.. an american child has twice the chance of daying before it is five than a child in finland, iceland, sweden or singapore.. only 61 per cent of children in the usa attend a kindergarten, making the united states number seven among developing countries, counting from the bottom that is.
no other industrialialised country has such a bad mother maternity arrangement as the us (considing both the length and salary).
norway is the country which has the honor of being number 1 on being a mother.. the maternity leave is currently at at 44 weeks with full salary (based on your job before the pregnancy.
Double-post.
Sticky mouse. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqtpuhydz6m.
monday, a 17-year-old named steve consalvi ran onto the field at citizens bank park.
wearing a red shirt and khaki pants, he ran around waving a white towel above his head, a police officer tasered him.
I can't help but laugh at the crowd in the stands cheering him on and then boo'in when he gets shot with the taser.
The crowd seems to want to watch him out running the security more than watch the game. LOL
my wife and i have been lurking here for almost three years now and finally decided to join!.
we were in the borg for over twenty years.
we came in together as a couple and we left all together as a family of four.
Thor there's a publishing company called Marvel Publishing Inc. that puts out comics about you.
And since you were affected by the Watchtower publishing company, that means two publishing companies only a few
miles a part in N.Y. have had a bearing on your life. Imagine that
One puts out comics and cartoons, the other one puts out similar stories about myths,legends and fairy tales.
Thor deals with Ragnarok, and WTBTS deals with Armageddon.
How's the All-father Odin doing nowadays? Is your brother Loki still up to his mischief?
Glad to have you here Thor!
Never hurts to have another "god" in our corner I guess.
Oh and welcome to you and Mrs.Thor
ive been lurking here for the past couple of months since i started researching the organization.
i dont have many people to talk to and its been a saving grace to read your posts.. i dont really know where to start so here i go.
its been a long journey getting here and it looks as if i still have a long ways to go to get somewhere healthy, stable and strong.
Saw your very well thought out post on another thread (your post number 2 is great) and decided to come to
your first thread to officially welcome you to our little corner of the cyberverse.
Looking forward to hearing more from and about you Hadit.
Regards,
StoneWall
hi , this is a part of an email sent by my bro to a 'friend ' the ' friend ' needs some help in pulling his arguments apart .
any takers ?
:)) btw , the 'friend' is a pretend bible study , ex catholic :)).
Hadit very nice viewpoints and illustration regarding the redundant question of asking where these from the great crowd
come from if they still on the Earth.
leo999 another good scripture to use to debunk the idea of who the 144,000 rule over is Luke 22:28-30
Ask a J.W. who the 144k will rule over and judge and right away they will say over the great crowd on Earth.
Then quote them the sciptures in Luke 22:28-30 “However, YOU are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials;
and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that YOU may eat
and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel."
(notice how this scripture says they will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. So if the 144,000 are "spritual Israel" that
would mean they are judging each other and not the great crowd.)
top ten signs you're a fundamentalist christian.
1 - you vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.. .
2 - you feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the biblical claim that we were created from dirt.. .
David Letterman so needs to put this on his show one night for his Top Ten.
