Posts by StoneWall

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Maybe we should just kill the birds.

by worldtraveller in

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i haven't been here too often lately because i noticed recently there seemed to be many angry posts.

anyway, now it is my turn to vent.. i read this on msn.com just minutes ago and i cannot believe what i was reading.

i am shocked and saddened that anyone would produce such a statement.

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Yes and just think we don't want too many of those birds to die now.

When Armageddon hits we need as many of them around as possible to pick the flesh off the bones of all the dead.

Revelation 19:17,18 "I saw also an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice and said to all the birds that fly in midheaven: “Come here, be gathered together to the great evening meal of God, that YOU may eat the fleshy parts of kings and the fleshy parts of military commanders and the fleshy parts of strong men and the fleshy parts of horses and of those seated upon them, and the fleshy parts of all, of freemen as well as of slaves and of small ones and great"

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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XJW4EVR,

Just for the record, I really enjoyed and liked that last post of yours.

*Edited to add:

Even though I don't agree with it, what better way could someone show their total faith and trust in Jesus than to

give up all things and totally rely on him to provide them with their bread for each day etc.? That would require some

extreme faith.

I can't even put faith in people I've known most of my life to catch me if they say prove your trust in me by falling

backwards into my arms and I'll catch you.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

StoneWall

Hi Tammy!

Nice posts. I enjoy your thoughts and viewpoints.

Especially do I like when in your post you say "I think", to show that it's your opinion instead of the way it is.

I can always handle it when someone says something is their viewpoint,thought or opinion on something.

It shows me that they feel a certain way on something but are willing to look at varying ideas without being dogmatic.

Very conducive to an interchange of dialogue.

I noticed in your post number 767 above that you commented on Matt.19:21 and yet remained silent on Luke 14:33.

Do you feel that what is recorded at Luke 14 is another case of "well thats what Jesus said but let me tell you what he really meant?"

Also you may find it beneficial to look at the different translations on Biblegateway.com concerning Luke 14:33 and see

how many word it very similar to what the NWT does in this case.

Also compare whats in Luke 14:33 with what even the apostle Paul stated at Philippians 3:7,8

"Yet what things were gains to me, these I have considered loss on account of the Christ. 8 Why, for that matter, I do indeed also consider all things to be loss on account of the excelling value of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord. On account of him I have taken the loss of all things and I consider them as a lot of refuse, that I may gain Christ "

Notice how even Paul mentioned in this scripture "loss of all things". Not a few things,not some things,not the majority of things

but all things.

And Tammy for the record I totally agree that you have to provide for your family etc.

No where did I indicate otherwise. That's my point and what I feel the author of this video was trying to get across as

regards this point. Intelligent christians will use the rational part of their brain and never give away everything they have

even though Luke says "all belongings" and Paul states in Philippians "all things".

That is where I agree somewhat with what the author of the video was getting at on some picking and choosing what

scriptures they want to follow as long as it's not to their personal detriment.

How many christians do you know that gave up "all belongings, all things" to follow the christ?

Another case in point, how many christians do you know that say their complete trust and faith is in the Lord and yet own

a gun? If their complete trust is in the Lord why have the gun? Can he not protect them from burglars,invaders etc.?

The rational part of their brain kicks in and tells them just in case the Lord don't show up, I better have a back-up plan.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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XJW4EVR also stated in regards to selling all your belongings and becoming a follower of Christ at Matt.19:21:

I really can't believe that you have to be walked through this! This statement was issued to a specific person with a specific issue, if you have any doubts read Matthew 19:16-22. Now, is this particular situation applicable to all Christians now, and in times past? Not necessarily, but Jesus never said that money was the problem, but that making money an idol was the issue.

OK lets analyze this a moment. Would Jesus or should Jesus have two sets of scales? Should he expect this follower

to do something he doesn't expect of his other followers?

Just in case you don't follow what I'm getting at look at Luke 14 and read the whole chapter if you'd like so you

know the setting as well to who Jesus was talking to.

Then notice this verse in that chapter 14:33 "Thus, you may be sure, none of YOU that does not say good-bye to all his belongings can be my disciple." (NWT)

The fact it says none of you denotes that he was/is talking to more than an individual right? So more than one.

The fact it states also none of you, does that mean everyone to you or just those back then?

If it applies to only those back then, then there's two set of standards, two sets of scales so to speak.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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LOL @ THE GLADIATOR

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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Wow the discussions have continued while I been away. Very nice.

I would like to go back and touch on something that I intentionally skipped over last night because of being tired and

sleepy.(and frankly was wanting time to think how to answer such a wild,fanciful "explanation")

Quoting XJW4EVR:

If someone is righthanded, and they throw a right cross (since most people are righthanded, this is a logical presumption), what cheek are they going to hit? The left. If someone is righthanded, and strikes your right cheek, what have they done? A backhanded and insulting slap. The issue here is not about pacifism in the face of all violence, but pacifism in the case of violenece done to a believer as an insult to his beliefs.

This has got to be the most imaginative,grasping at straws,trying to pull a rabbit out of the hat,jumping through hoops,

throwing the ball up and hoping for anything piece of literary work I've seen in a long time.

I've read a lot but this takes the cake.

I'll have to agree with exjdub about this being one heck of a spin.

I noticed that everyone else kinda glossed over this or decided to talk about something else other than exjdub.

(thanks exjdub for quoting that earlier and letting me know I wasn't the only one that was having a hard time digesting

that explanation.)

Was everyone else just to flabbergasted to respond or did you actually understand/agree with it?

*Edited to add: This was his response to Jesus saying to turn the other cheek in case you're wondering what it was

dealing with, since a lot of posts have occured between his post and now.

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I'm leaving .....

by RR in

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.... no, not the forum, just the computer for a few minutes, i'm hungry!

bye!.

StoneWall

So just out of curiousity RR, what did you get to eat?

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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not a captive said:

I have been used to having my grammar corrected during troublesome disputes with my vastly better educated husband; so I recognize passive aggression when I see it.

Do you now? Under no circumstances should you take what I said as aggresive in any form.(even passively)

I like when someone points out where I make a mistake whether it be spelling,punctuation,grammar or otherwise,as

long as it's done with good motive or intent as you stated above. It lets me know they took interest in something I had

to say, even if they might not agree with what was said.

I think of this scripture in Proverbs that I like.

Proverbs 9:8,9 "Do not reprove a ridiculer, that he may not hate you. Give a reproof to a wise person and he will love you. 9 Give to a wise person and he will become still wiser. Impart knowledge to someone righteous and he will increase in learning."

I have very much enjoyed reading your posts as of late, and the other night I read through your letters you had written to Elders,the congregation and even the society. I was very impressed that you stood up for what you saw in the scriptures and was willing to suffer the consequences.

Very commendable. Keep on knocking.Keep on searching.

And if I remember correctly, I think it was you on some other thread that said you had laughed more these last couple months

than you have had in years. That resonated with me because I too have laughed very much as of late and have needed

it for some time.

What do you think of Jesus comments on the law of Moses?

I will leave this for another time because I was never that impressed with the law of Moses since no one could ever measure up to it since it was pointing to something better in the future.

But suffice it to say the law I was impresssed with is this one at Romans 2:14

" For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves"

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ATTENTION ALL LURKING, CURIOUS JW'S, JW TROLLS, AND FORMER JW'S DETERMINED TO SAVE JW'S FROM THEMSELVES

by AllTimeJeff in

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thank you all.. it seems that we former jw's have excellent reasons to be be upset.

between being lied to about how russell and rutherford started this fruity little cult, having to deal with the coverups of pedophiles and other criminals, the mysoginistic treatment of women, being lied to about 1914 and the related date of 607 bce, the ridiculous and ever changing blood doctrine, being lied to about gb involvement in the un, the changed it once and now back again understanding of what a "generation" is, being lied to about when the end of this system was supposed to come, being lied to about 1975, being told not to go to college and instead explore the underrated world of window washing with the outstanding income potential it produces...... *panting* i am sorry, i am out of breath...... my point is this, (and i speak from experience): former jw's are pretty raw.

and thus, easily exploitable on internet boards by trolls.. trolls see this.

StoneWall

sherah said:

I lurked when the troll "R" was posting. What struck me about her was her lack of debating skills, her refusal to use or even research WT publications or use the NWT in her quotations. For lack of these things, nothing she wrote held any weight with this lurker. Many were concerned that she would influence the lurkers with her weak arguments. Not this lurker, i could clearly see that 'the truth' could not stand up to logical reasoning and facts.

In the quote above I underlined the part that caught my attention.

This "R" sounds a lot like the recent "BANE" that just basically could not provide any facts,figures,scriptures to back up

anything that was being discussed. The most he could get out is I've heard it all before blah,blah,blah.

I kept waiting and hoping that he would share some of his "knowledge" with us and show us the error of our ways. LOL

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Are there dangers in being 'spiritual but not religious'? - CNN Article

by Mr. Monday Night in

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hello friends -.

i would like to share a news article from cnn i thought was interesting.

i'm 'spritual but not religious' person who still believes in god almighty and jesus as his son.

StoneWall

Without a spiritual community and being just you and God would you be moved to reach out to those in need?

I kinda think of the illustration of the good samaritan. How it wasn't necessarily someone in his church,temple,synagogue

or whatever that spurred him into action but just that he saw someone in need and was willing to help out.

To me thats the bigger message of Jesus. He didn't say go out and join a church(organization) so that you can be in a

better position to help others. Just basically being a good natured person and help any you see could use assistance.

But I can also see Balsam's point. Some people need to be around others to spur them on or to get motivated.