Posts by StoneWall

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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.

by joe134cd in

https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.

StoneWall

I too sometimes have questioned motives of people that want to "help" others and then you find out the cost or price involved.
One of the things that appealed to me about the bible when i was a believer was how Jesus supposedly said you received free give free.
Then we know about the Apostle Paul being a tent-maker to provide for himself and not wanting to be a burden to anyone. Those things are what attracted me to the "word'.
Then I read about how many on here bought Ray Franz book Crisis of Conscience (CoC) and how it cost to produce books and such, which is a given and yet these same ones would say things about how Ray would respond back to their letters,e-mails and phone calls all free of charge. That made an impression on me.
It kinda let me know that he had expenses to pay as we all do but at the same time he really wanted to help others even when there was no money to be had or made.
I can only go on what others have said about him because I never got the chance/opportunity to meet or talk to him in real life. (I count that as a great loss) The videos I've seen of him all seem to bear this out as well.
But getting back to my point,sometimes even the best of intentions can allow celebrity,fame and/or greed to slowly creep in and derail what started off as a worth-while cause.
I really hope this is not the case with Steve Hassan and many others out there but only time will tell I suppose.

In the meantime keep making whatever truth you find out there your own. Irregardless of what the source.
Truth will always hold up to scrutiny.

If I shared this video on FB, do you think my JW family would get mad since it's about nature?

by StoneWall in

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one of my 'worldly' fb friends shared it under the caption "when you promised her round 2 but gave it all in round 1"who knew that even monkeys have 'performance' issues?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipdgwqou7am

StoneWall

One of my 'worldly' FB friends shared it under the Caption "When you promised her round 2 but gave it all in round 1"
Who knew that even Monkeys have 'performance' issues?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPDgwqou7aM

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Hello all

by WhiskeySix in

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i am new to this site and wanted to say hi.

my wife and i are recently disassociated.

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StoneWall

Welcome Whiskeysix!
It's always great to see someone else escape and break free of the Watchtower.
When a couple can come out together that is just awesome.
At this juncture of your journey in life, do you and your wife consider yourself as believers or non-believers?
Are you leaning more towards Atheist/Agnostic or Theist/Deist?

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One of the best vid's I've ever seen for debunking and disproving Jehovah's Witnesses

by StoneWall in

as some of you know i'm not a religious person at all after leaving the jw's but there was a link on another site i was on and the link was to a pastor's vid.

(about exposing jw's as false prophets etc)being that i'm not at all interested in hearing a sermon, i was going to just leave the site and continue researching some other stuff but then curiosity made me wonder if he truly knew anything about jw's or was just going to be another religious leader downing jw's in an effort to make his version of the "gospel" sound more appealing.i have to admit i was pleasantly surprised at the extent of his knowledge of scripture that jw's like to use as well as the history behind the organization.

many of the points he brought out we've covered here before and he arranged them in an easy to understand and follow sequence.i'd be interested in hearing what some of you think on the job he did on exposing the jw's(wt)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3o56jwgbjk.

StoneWall

Nellis I agree totally about there being thousands of videos out there if someone is willing to look because i personally have checked out probably close to the hundred mark if not higher.
That is why I give this one a passing mark.
I knew just the fact that this was done by a "Pastor" that somewhere along the lines he'd get in a jab or two about what he believes because after all he is in front of his congregation.
But the thing that impressed me about it was he went all the way from C.T. Russell (first prez of the WT society) down through 1914,1925 dates along with the predictions,speculations and other outlandish things the Society had said/written with the quotes and documentaion to back it up, then all the way up to the 1975 fiasco and beyond without making it seem like Information Overload to me.
All within a time frame of some 40+ minutes. (Less time than the average public talk at a Kingdom Hall years ago)

Mickey mouse I also agree with your comment about the interest starting about the 7 minute mark.
I like to post the whole vid so no one can make the argument I edited something out etc..
Basically the first few minutes are him exchanging greetings,pleasantries and being cordial with his congregation.
I personally didn't have a problem with that but in the interest of time if any want to skip the first approx. 7 minutes and get into the discussion about JW's please feel free to do so.
Even though I'm not a believer or religious it still is nice for me to see people treat others with humanity and respect whether they are Theist/Atheist or Deist. So the first few minutes not being in-depth discussion did not bother me in the least but i understand everyone's time is limited and valuable.

Also thanks to everyone for your comments and feedback.
My hope is if this Pastor can deliver something like this that others will do so at their respective places of worship to keep many other families from becoming enslaved to the JW's (WTBTS)
It at the very least may give them the ammo they need to use to either protect their family or use to make the person knocking on their door re-think what they "know" about their Organization.

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One of the best vid's I've ever seen for debunking and disproving Jehovah's Witnesses

by StoneWall in

as some of you know i'm not a religious person at all after leaving the jw's but there was a link on another site i was on and the link was to a pastor's vid.

(about exposing jw's as false prophets etc)being that i'm not at all interested in hearing a sermon, i was going to just leave the site and continue researching some other stuff but then curiosity made me wonder if he truly knew anything about jw's or was just going to be another religious leader downing jw's in an effort to make his version of the "gospel" sound more appealing.i have to admit i was pleasantly surprised at the extent of his knowledge of scripture that jw's like to use as well as the history behind the organization.

many of the points he brought out we've covered here before and he arranged them in an easy to understand and follow sequence.i'd be interested in hearing what some of you think on the job he did on exposing the jw's(wt)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3o56jwgbjk.

StoneWall

As some of you know I'm not a religious person at all after leaving the JW's but there was a link on another site I was on and the link was to a Pastor's vid. (about exposing JW's as false prophets etc)
Being that I'm not at all interested in hearing a sermon, I was going to just leave the site and continue researching some other stuff but then curiosity made me wonder if he truly knew anything about JW's or was just going to be another religious leader downing JW's in an effort to make his version of the "gospel" sound more appealing.
I have to admit i was pleasantly surprised at the extent of his knowledge of scripture that JW's like to use as well as the history behind the organization. Many of the points he brought out we've covered here before and he arranged them in an easy to understand and follow sequence.
I'd be interested in hearing what some of you think on the job he did on exposing the JW's(WT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3o56JwgBJk

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New to this. But not the life.

by Irocz in

i just joined this sight today.

i'm hoping to find people here with similar experiences or have experience with similar situations or just any advise or feedback.. first.

my quick life story.. i was born into jw.

StoneWall

Welcome Irocz.
Glad to have you and thanks for sharing some of your JW story.

It really is amazing now how much information is out there about the JW's if only a person is willing to search it out.
Keep reading,learning,searching and the funny thing is...the truth really will set you free.

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What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?

by EndofMysteries in

this seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.

right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?

the electrical signals in the brain?

StoneWall

Think of this in relation to what others have said about cloning or putting our brain patterns in another form.(fleshly or robotic)
When you cut certain starfish a specific way and remove their arms, they can regenerate complete whole new bodies.(in time) Is the starfish that you started with the same now? Are the duplicates now sharing an intellect/instinct?
Even certain worms can be cut into and grow into two bodies from the one. Are they the same? How are they different?

10 Weird FACTS about Orgasms

by StoneWall in

who knew all this data and research was being compiled on both male and female orgasms.some of this goes very much against our jw upbringing as far as health and fitness of the human body.yet it makes so much sense, like less prostrate cancer in males that have more than one orgasm a week etc..and guys next time your woman says she isn't in the mood because she has a headache, show her this research of the best way to relieve those headaches.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm0q7kmzuoi.

StoneWall

Who knew all this data and research was being compiled on both male and female Orgasms.
Some of this goes very much against our JW upbringing as far as health and fitness of the human body.
Yet it makes so much sense, like less prostrate cancer in males that have more than one orgasm a week etc..
And guys next time your woman says she isn't in the mood because she has a headache, show her this research of the best way to relieve those headaches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm0Q7kmZUOI

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John Denver: On being human

by StoneWall in

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i have renewed respect and admiration for john denver after watching/listening to this video.some of it reminds me of words by another john, john lennon.i really regret that my jw upbringing made me dislike john denver after some things he had said about jw's in his earlier career.

i would have loved to have heard this talk back in 1980 when it was first recorded.it hits home on so many levels of what we discuss on this very forum.

everything from evolution to spirituality,humanity to religion, the ineptitude of modern politics to solve mankind's problems.the things which we allow to divide us as humans but more importantly the things which we all should allow to unite us.it is 2 hours in length but i didn't regret the time spent watching it because it was one of those things that show that he had very similar ideas,philosophies,and feelings that have been expressed on here.after what many of us have been through on our journey and trying to escape a religion that we found we were trapped/bound to in some form or another,something tells me he'd felt right at home being with us.this recording is almost 36 years old so the sound and picture quality might not be what we're accustomed to today but is so worth the watching of it.

StoneWall

I have renewed respect and admiration for John Denver after watching/listening to this video.Some of it reminds me of words by another John, John Lennon.
I really regret that my JW upbringing made me dislike John Denver after some things he had said about JW's in his earlier career. I would have loved to have heard this talk back in 1980 when it was first recorded.
It hits home on so many levels of what we discuss on this very forum. Everything from evolution to spirituality,humanity to religion, the ineptitude of modern politics to solve mankind's problems.
The things which we allow to divide us as humans but more importantly the things which we all should allow to unite us.
It is 2 hours in length but I didn't regret the time spent watching it because it was one of those things that show that he had very similar ideas,philosophies,and feelings that have been expressed on here.
After what many of us have been through on our journey and trying to escape a religion that we found we were trapped/bound to in some form or another,something tells me he'd felt right at home being with us.
This recording is almost 36 years old so the sound and picture quality might not be what we're accustomed to today but is so worth the watching of it. Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrMhzdTenWw

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Has anyone else collected their money back from local Kingdom Halls for money loaned for construction?

by StoneWall in

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just a reminder if you haven't, to get it back before they sell any more halls.even if you're currently da/df you can still collect any monies owed you by the kingdom hall as far as loans go.we were able to get back $1000 that my mom had loaned the local hall for a loan to build new one.it was documented by the paper that had been given each publisher back then on how much they could/would be willing to give as an outright donation or a loan.

the loan was to be paid back whenever the publisher requested it.

(not a specific date)i can't help but feel that a lot of the old timers that loaned monies to the society and/or k-halls have been forgot about by them or their families.

StoneWall

Just a reminder if you haven't, to get it back before they sell any more halls.
Even if you're currently DA/DF you can still collect any monies owed you by the Kingdom Hall as far as loans go.
We were able to get back $1000 that my mom had loaned the local hall for a loan to build new one.
It was documented by the paper that had been given each publisher back then on how much they could/would be willing to give as an outright donation or a loan. The loan was to be paid back whenever the publisher requested it. (not a specific date)
I can't help but feel that a lot of the old timers that loaned monies to the society and/or K-Halls have been forgot about by them or their families.