there's an interesting thread at:.
http://www.jwsupportforum.com/index.php?topic=8247.msg119745.
it raises the question that the point of view of many society illustrations is from above, a kind of bird's eye view, looking down on to the scene.. and since the society spends so much time mulling over every detail of their illustrations the point of view from above has to be chosen on purpose.. if this is the case then it speaks volumes about the way the governing body wants to be perceived as being higher, looking down on things.. and it would give the r&f the feeling that they are being watched.. what do you all think about this?
I guess that's why it's called "oversight."
I, for one, appreciated the raising of my consciousness to a more global level at the time of my learning "the truth." I had my nose stuck into my own little life and it was uplifting. And that was what witnesses were trying to help the public to do, as well. Now I see that anybody can be aware on a larger scale and that the witnesses don't hold the patent on thought.
i've been on this site for a number of years now.
i don't easily trust just anybody.
having said that, there are a few persons here that know my real identity and i'm comfortable with them.. are there certain posters that you trust here?.
better not trust me...I'm stillin.
they are announced as no longer being one of jehovahs witnesses.
why then do people still shun them if they are not disfellowshipped.
witnesses talk to non jws all the time, so we should be allowed to talk to members who are announced as no longer one of jehovahs witnesses.
my experience with the whole thing is, not that anybody is being "disciplined" and all hope that they "turn around"and return to the fold. My experience is that the real agenda is "he's not one of us. Maybe if we ignore him he will go away altogether."
i have recently noticed a very fascinating phenomenon in men's restrooms: short men always use the "tall" urinals, even when it violates the "unspoken social contract of using the restroom" for men (ladies, please view the entire instructional video below before asking any questions).. .
i was suspicious that the short guys were doing this, but this morning i found conclusive evidence in the form of a short man blatantly violating the "unspoken social contract of using the restroom" for men this morning at work.
i was quite shocked and taken aback at this guy's blatant disregard for the rules (thereby threatening all of civilization as we know it) by using the wrong urinal.. here at work most men follow the social contract and use the urinal that is furthist from the door, which happens to be a "short" urinal for short people.
I like moving targets...ants, roaches, etc. I tend to forget all about the urinal if there are moving targets.
yes, i do!
i did it 20 years ago, but the elders still remember what i did, sometimes i wish they never knew about it.
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very sad stuff, indeed. I thought owning up to my mistake would be the manly thing to do. Confession is good for the soul, get it off my chest and all that. Wrong. At least with this bunch here where I live, it was wrong, and now, listening to all of you, it seems to be wrong on a broad scale.
But it seems that there should actually be such a thing as a true friend. Even my wife can't handle any old mistakes. It's as though I had done them yesterday to her, and if she gets wound up really tight, I'll be hearing all about them all over again, just like the "society" and their file-keeping.
Whatever happened to confidential talk? I, for my part, have heard many a tale, including ones from elders personal lives, and I'll carry them quietly to my grave. I'm grateful that somebody loved and trusted me enough to talk. But then, it's not my JOB to listen.
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
I bet your wife will count the return visit and study that she's conducting with you. You...you UNBELIEVER!
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
do you actually QUALIFY?!!! The standards are so unreachably high, your persoanal value must be so impeccable and above ANY suggestion of reproach, it's a wonder that there are ANY pioneers. Are you truly EXEMPLARY? Is there anything that you can think of that might disqualify you from pioneering and being the tower of strength that the weak ones in the congregation can all look up to? hmmm?
i remember an elder in my congregation gave the talk "godly view of sex and marriage" in the 90's.
he was talking about masturbation.
he said to the audience if you have any problems with masturbation, please let him know, he also said please do not be embarrassed.
no problem
my wife goes into angry frenzies and hits me with her fists. It doesn't hurt and usually I make sure that she hits my head really hard and bruises her hand so she'll remember what she's done. I never hit her, it wouldn't be right. Even if she cut me with a knife, I'd handle her very carefully, like maybe just sit on her until she calms down, The elders know about her, but they have never spoken with her about it. I'm just glad that she's such a wimp or my happy marriage would have been over years ago.
the visiting bethelite at our DC this summer delivered what was a poor attempt to reach people on an emotional level, likely thinking that since he was in the southern part of the US, trying to speak in an intellectual level would be a waste of time. It was a sappy "going home" type talk that left even the uber-righteous shaking thier heads. I hope he was reprimanded for his condescension
