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  Death and Forgiveness

  by Mommie Dark in

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  my father died wednesday night.

  he's been bedridden, paralyzed, and tube fed for nearly five years, so it was more release than tragedy.. those of you who know my story will understand the miserable mix of emotions his passing has caused.

  the whole guilt and forgiveness issue shoved itself right up my nose into my forebrain.

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  hungerartist

  I meant to say:

  ((((((((HUGS))))))))
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  Death and Forgiveness

  by Mommie Dark in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my father died wednesday night.

  he's been bedridden, paralyzed, and tube fed for nearly five years, so it was more release than tragedy.. those of you who know my story will understand the miserable mix of emotions his passing has caused.

  the whole guilt and forgiveness issue shoved itself right up my nose into my forebrain.

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  Mommie,

  I'm so sorry to hear this. I missed your thread earlier.
  ((((((((HUGS))[/blue])[/blue])[/blue])

  Just so you know, I happened upon your story just today on another website and I was greatly saddened, yet encouraged by it.

  So I just used your poetry in a thread to share some encouragement with others. Thanks so much for being here...we're here for you too.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23227&site=3&page=3

  cellomould

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  Who do you love now?????

  by Sky in

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  2. relationships

  i was brand new when this post was up.. now i wanna know who everyone loves, so i kow who you're talking about!.

  kisses!.

  sky

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  I love this cellist

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  Just some thoughts on watchtower criticism

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is part of a letter i may send to a friend.. i'm starting to have some real problems over my stand in regard to the society, and i'm starting to get angery with people.. i will tell my story soon.its nothing different or special, i just what to get it of my chest.. anyway in my anger i have written this to a friend.the letter is not written in an angrey tone , it just may be counter-productive to send it.. in your letter the point was raised should i be critical of the society.

  this is in line with what the aug 1 2001 watchtower said pg.14 p 8 ...a mature christian ....does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbour private ideas when it comes to bible understanding.

  rather he has complete confidence in the truth as revealed by jehovah through his son jesus and the faithful and discrete slave.

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  Nice letter Sleepy,

  I appreciate those comments.

  I 'escaped' from the wt society by dismantling the bible itself in criticism. What I mean is that when conflict arose in my life, I quickly found the source was in the book we called God's word.

  I didn't have much resentment toward the organization because I saw why it was misguided.

  But more and more I realize that others really have faith in the bible, and are being devoured by their trust in the disseminators of its knowledge.

  Thank you for your comments.

  Apply the same logic you used in your letter toward the bible, if the conflict does not resolve for you; it also claims hold over your thinking in many ways.

  I am sure your faith and personal integrity can handle the challenge.

  Nice comments also rf and barry. Check my quote --- it says everything.

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  Bible students .. please explain Exodus4

  by unclebruce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  g'day bible students, .

  this is something i raised a while back and recieved little responce.

  i have long contended that the "most high" of exodus 4 is non other that jethro the "most high priest of midian".

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  Hey Unclebruce,

  I don't know about the Egyptian connection. Something about that fascinates me as well; I have read for example that the Egyptians practiced circumcision. I don't know how well documented this is. A little research would be fun.

  Yes, now, about the book. An ISBN was impossibile to find on the book itself. (the book was written in 1911; probably no such thing back then) So I looked it up over a library system. No luck with the ISBN, but...

  ...anyhow, the other pertinent information:

  Author: Cheyne, T. K. (Thomas Kelly), 1841-1915
  Title: The two religions of Israel; with a re-examination of the prophetic narratives and utterances. By the Rev. T. K. Cheyne.
  Publisher: London, A. and C. Black, 1911.
  Description: xv, 428 p. 23 cm.
  Notes: "Abbreviations": p. xv.
  Language: English
  Subjects: Bible.--O.T.--Prophets--Criticism, interpretation, etc..
  Judaism
  Prophets

  So far I have only read some of this book. The copy I have is most likely the first edition; it's pages are so fragile that it's hard to handle.

  The overall point of the book seems to be that the strongest influence on Israelite religion was from Northern Arabia, not Assyria, Babylonia (Ur), or Egypt. If I find the time I'd like to run a references search on this and see what is the modern concensus. It's hard to separate what might be pure speculation.

  cheers!

  hungry mummy

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  Beached Whale!!! From Sea to Land (and Back)

  by cellomould in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a lot of people are curious about what evidence there is in the fossil record for evolution.. check out scientific american, for a good example of whales.

  (there was a good article there also in 2001 about the chemical origins of life, but i can't find it online) lotsa free info, and it's drawn from modern research.. .

  http://www.sciam.com/explorations/2001/092401whales/index.html.

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  I have a worthy opinion....

  nic pics cellomold

  Is that the whale that swallowed Jonah? lol
  It crawled up on shore and spit him out for the whale babies to eat.

  Jonah said 'hell no, I'm going back to Ninevah!'

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  CO visit...Expect big increase!

  by target in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend from back home wrote me a letter.

  they just had the co visit.

  she asked him about the un thing.

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  Call in the CO for damage control... he he he

  He should try some reverse psychology instead... make people feel guilty.

  'We are expecting a MASSIVE decrease. Those left will have to shoulder a heavier responsibility.'

  Then we'll see who stays at home twiddling their thumbs.

  I hunger for justice

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  Social Influence Part I, II

  by larc in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello brothers and sisters.

  lately, there has been a lot of discussion, re: who is to blame, the organization, the elders, the individual, or all of the above.. i believe that all of the above were trapped in a bad system.

  i would like to present some findings from social psychology to illustrate the influences that make is very difficult for the individual to express free will, as we understand it.

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  Well put Larc,

  I suppose you have been doing much reading about 'suggestibility'.

  I read about a study in which the reseachers 'suggested' by clever questions that a person who just visited Disneyland had met WARNER BROTHERS characters. (Now have you ever seen Batman at Disneyland?)

  They even got people to elaborate by saying they took photos with these characters! All off which never happened at all!

  The human memory is not perfect.

  See the movie Memento, everyone. You'll get a trip from that one.

  I hunger for knowledge...

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  39 years for Mulan and dad!

  by Princess in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thirty nine years ago today, my parents were married.

  i am very greatful for that winter day in 1962!

  of course i wouldn't be here if they hadn't married, but more than that i am so lucky to have such wonderful parents who set an amazing example of how good a marriage can be.

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  HAPPY ANNIVERSARY MULAN AND PAPA OF PRINCESS!

  and cool fireworks, Essie!

  i hunger for freedom

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka
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  Bible students .. please explain Exodus4

  by unclebruce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  g'day bible students, .

  this is something i raised a while back and recieved little responce.

  i have long contended that the "most high" of exodus 4 is non other that jethro the "most high priest of midian".

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  Interesting thread....

  I would only like to add that there is some proof that other people worshipped 'Jehovah'. (So in the unified 'nation of Israel' was less a reality than the bible would have you believe.)

  In fact, the divine name 'Jehovah' apparently was derived from a compound name 'Yahweh-Y'arme'el', or something similar. What makes this interesting is that 'Y'arme'el' probably gave rise to 'Ba'al'!

  So did the other tribes worship a 'different' God? Not exactly. They just worshipped differently. Not an excuse to 'wipe them off the face of the earth', that's for sure.

  I read this stuff in a very old book called The Two Religions of Israel. (which I found at my JW parents' house, of all places. they should read books they keep on the shelves, eh? very skeptical info there!)

  If anyone's interested in finding this book or obtaining some interesting quotes, let me know by replying to this post. Or even send an e-mail if you must.

  I hunger for truth

  "Every revolution evaporates and leaves only the slime of a new bureaucracy" ~ Franz Kafka