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  Mormons in the neighborhood.

  by Princess in

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  today as i was pulling into my driveway i noticed two young mormon "elders" at my neighbor's house.

  they stood on the porch and watched me pull into my garage, obviously had just been at my house.

  i thought for sure they would be marching right over to inquire as to whether i was interested in learning about their church.

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  The last two times that I moved the Mormons were the ones who helped me. I supplied the vehicle but they had 4 guys come out and load and pack everything. I am a single mom so this was very much appreciated. They explained that as a part of their regular service hours they not only preach from door to door but help people with practical things (members as well as non members). They said they often get called to help people move. I bought them juice drinks and lunch and that was it. they did not attempt to preach to me or leave special material or anything. They said this is a normal thing and is done everywhere just call a few weeks in advance to arrange it.
  They have never come back to hound me and were very kind and professional. Have any of you ever had an experience like this?

  After my JW husband left me to pursue a relationship with the woman he had a brief fling with (while I was at a convention). I had to move to a more afordable place. I was an active and regular publisher in good standing and none of the congregation members ( not even the elders who knew about the situation) ever offered to help me move a thing. I had a 5 year old and a 10 Month old at the time and did it all myself with the help of one worldly friend (also a girl).
  It was the middle of July in California and the worst hell I have ever gone through. That was the start of my realization that maybe the Borg wasn't all that it proclaimed to be.

  I realize that this is a bit lengthy and starting to need a place in the personal experiences section but I thought that the two were contrasting situations worth mentioning.
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  Ray Franz wrote back!

  by hungry4life in

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  my friend just called.

  she is very excited she just received a reply to her letter to ray franz.

  she said that it is about six pages long and not a form letter but a personal correspondance regarding the issues and concerns she had written him about.

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  My friend just called. She is very excited she just received a reply to her letter to Ray Franz. She said that it is about six pages long and not a form letter but a personal correspondance regarding the issues and concerns she had written him about.

  She was moved to tears at the thought that a 79 year old man who suffered a stroke last year, would care enough about her to write back with such encouraging words. She had also written to the society ( a few weeks before she wrote to Mr. Franz) and never received any reply at all ( this despite the fact that she is a baptized witness in good standing in the congregation and wrote a very respectful letter addressing legitimate questions and concerns).
  She mentioned to me that it saddened her that the society with all of it's able bodied volunteers would not care enough to respond. This speaks volumes about true Christian love.

  Thanks to everyone who read and responded to my original thread "Is Ray Franz still living"? A special thanks to Bible Examiner for offering me his email address in order to try to help me contact Mr. Franz. Even though we did not need it after all, I am very grateful for your help and support.

  I have to be honest I was not sure that she would get a response
  ( she wrote the letter to the publishers address in the back of the book). But he did reply with no additional intervention from anyone. He said that he tries to respond to all letters but with the book available in 12 languages now he does get very busy.
  This proves it to me (not that he owed any of us proof). Ray Franz is alive and well. He embodies the qualities of true love and caring that we should all strive to imitate.
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  paradoxical question

  by gravedancer in

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  can a rational person decide to act irrationally?

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  Yes a rational person can make irrational decisions. But not if they stop to think (rationalize) before the decision is made. In order for a decision to be irrational it must be spontaneous and not involve rationalization. I know I sort of repeated myself but it's a little fuzzy even as I am typing it. This is not to say that all decisions that rational people make after thinking (rationalizing) are always correct. Many times the wrong decision is made. This is due to lack of information or flawed reasoning etcetera but is not equivalent to irrational decisions. OK does that make sense I welcome anyone's critique or polishing of my definition.
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  OLD WT Books

  by El Kabong in

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  i've discovered a bunch of old wt books that i had in boxes.

  these books go back a ways.

  i found truth books, your word is a lamp..", the paradise book, and many others.

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  Don't destroy them. that was my first thought too. But I then realized that it was important to hang on to the oled original stuff before they go back and white wash over all the idiotic things they said in the past (using the new light excuse). I have kids and my ex in laws ever try to suck them into the Borg I will use my old books to show them the truth about the trooth. When I first became a JW my dad used to tell me about how they had prophesied that man would never land on the moon because Jehovah would not allow it. I researched on the CD rom and new editions of old boound volumes and couldn't find this information anywhere. It wasn't until an elderly sister died and left me her old bound volumes that I accidentaly located these articles regarding space travel.

  I keep mine in storage in boxes (not on the bookshelf) but will continue to hold onto them. If you don't want them donate or sell them. But please don't destroy them, many times they are the only thing those still in the Borg will listen too.
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  A Beautiful Mind

  by hungry4life in

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  anybody seen this ron howard film yet?

  i think it is the best movie i have seen in a very long time.

  highly reccomended.

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  How real is our own personal reality? When viewed through someone elses eyes even our most significant moments, friendships and accomplishments can seem insignificant or "bad". We must do what John did and decide who and what we truly value. And then be true to ourselves, even though it may mean that we have to experience pain as we give up ones we love but who are not healthy for us.

  I thought it was sad that the one person he was close to never even existed. He had been so totally alone until meeting Alicia.

  I still smile at the scene where they throw the desk out the window, his actions must have been viewed as very odd by all the others.

  My life in the Borg seemed to encompass an accurate worldview and true purpose yet looking back now it was a narrow minded illusion. Is my life any different today? I would like to think so but who really knows. After all it is only *my* reality viewed through my personal biases, and experiences. I guess the important thing is to continue to grow and to continually fight off our complacency and fear of change.

  I especially agreed with John when he asked to be allowed to teach and was told that he was still haunted by his past. He responded that the past haunts all of us. That is so true,we have all had experiences and memories that will haunt us if we allow them too, we must be strong enough to work around them even when we can't get over them completely. The past has it's value, we must acknowledge and accept it while continuing to move forward.

  I realize that this is the Hollywood version of the truth. When I first saw it I had no idea that it was even based on a true story. However I do not feel that this diminishes it's message (even with the sappy love speech). The acting and make up were great. At the end it said that John and Alicia still live in Princeton, New Jersey, but in one of the other threads someone said they were divorced. Does this mean they live there just not together?

  D Wiltshire: Yes, I beleive that focusing on any one thing excessively can be problematic. Keeping balance in our lives is crucial for our well being. This reminds me of a line from a favorite poem that says "even sunshine burns if you get too much".
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  A Beautiful Mind

  by hungry4life in

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  anybody seen this ron howard film yet?

  i think it is the best movie i have seen in a very long time.

  highly reccomended.

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  teejay thank you for directing me to that thread, I had not read it before. The analogies were great, maybe that's why I liked the movie so much. Prisca and others who have not seen the movie do not read the thread yet it will spoil it for you. The fact that I knew nothing about the movie when I went into the theater made it that much better. I am going back to see it today wwith my boyfriend ( he hasn't seen it yet) I am sure it will be a totally different experience for me and I will keep what was said in the thread in mind.
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  A Beautiful Mind

  by hungry4life in

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  anybody seen this ron howard film yet?

  i think it is the best movie i have seen in a very long time.

  highly reccomended.

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  Anybody seen this Ron Howard film yet? I think it is the best movie I have seen in a very long time. Highly reccomended. If you have seen it don't give away the surprise. If you haven't seen it ask nothing about it just go to theater.
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  Swat teams?

  by hungry4life in

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  while going through some other posts i read several references to swat teams.

  it gave me the impression that elders were going to be cracking down on those of us who had slipped away.

  i could not find the original thread for this, is this something mentioned in the congregation, publications, inside knowledge or some other source?also to what extent?

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  While going through some other posts I read several references to swat teams. It gave me the impression that elders were going to be cracking down on those of us who had slipped away. I could not find the original thread for this, is this something mentioned in the congregation, publications, inside knowledge or some other source?also to what extent? I am not totally worried, but would appreciate a heads up if the elders are actually going to show up at my door after 3 1/2 years.
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  My friend's question about 1914

  by hungry4life in

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  the friend that i spoke of earlier has many questions about scriptural misaplications used by the wts.

  she is still a witness but is searching diligently for the true truth.

  i have simpler reasons for not wanting anything to do with the borg, and have to be honest in saying i have not done alot of research on the topics she is interested in.

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  O.k. I have my friend on the cell phone and she is reading me a quote from the knowledge book pg 97 paragraph 18 refering to 1914 it says "Did Jesus begin to reign in heaven at that time? Scriptural reasons for saying that he did will be discussed in the next chapter".Her main question is where is scriptural backing to show that Jesus did not immediately ascend to God's right hand after his ressurection but instead waited until 1914.It wasn't in the book it only had signs of the last days. Hope this is clearer.
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  My friend's question about 1914

  by hungry4life in

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  the friend that i spoke of earlier has many questions about scriptural misaplications used by the wts.

  she is still a witness but is searching diligently for the true truth.

  i have simpler reasons for not wanting anything to do with the borg, and have to be honest in saying i have not done alot of research on the topics she is interested in.

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  the friend that I spoke of earlier has many questions about scriptural misaplications used by the WTS. She is still a witness but is searching diligently for the true truth. I have simpler reasons for not wanting anything to do with the BORG, and have to be honest in saying I have not done alot of research on the topics she is interested in. Currently all my old books are packed away in storage and since she has no internet access I told her that I might help by posting her question for help from all of you. So here goes, She is having a very difficult time with the teaching that 1914 is the time when Jesus began ruling. the scriptures she has looked up do not seem to show where their would be any gap in time between his resurrection and his rule. She points out to me that in the Knowledge book on page 92 -94 it refers to some scriptures and says that it sounds as though this occured immediately but that in the next chapter we will learn why this is not the case. She went to the next chapter and it never even mentioned this gap in time and any scriptural reasons why Jesus did not begin to rule until 1914. I know this is a very bad paraphrase but as I said she lives in a remote area we rarely see each other and mainly communicate by phone so I took rough notes (ok very rough) on her question. I hope it makes sense. Thanks