ok this is very difficult for me because i just started studing this question.
what i would like to know is what have you decided from your studies and does anyone know the statistics on how many beleive in the 607 dat and how many beleive in the 586/587 date.. the watchtower likes to say they agree with the 607 because that number is based on the bible when the 586/587 is based on secular history.. from what ive read so far the mojority thinks it to be 586/587 because most searches ive done give me that date.. what have you come up with in your research?
i feel like you almost need to be a scholar to figure this out.
Exactly thx for the response. I can tell you this that i never did understand why it was of any importance at all and most the time just laid down and accepted it. All thos years i never researched it and took there word for it.
Now that i'm asking questions there calling me an apostate for questioning the society. WTF !
I said to the brother am i in the twilight zone!
I feel like i want to kick some JW Ass to releive my Rage!
ok this is very difficult for me because i just started studing this question.
what i would like to know is what have you decided from your studies and does anyone know the statistics on how many beleive in the 607 dat and how many beleive in the 586/587 date.. the watchtower likes to say they agree with the 607 because that number is based on the bible when the 586/587 is based on secular history.. from what ive read so far the mojority thinks it to be 586/587 because most searches ive done give me that date.. what have you come up with in your research?
i feel like you almost need to be a scholar to figure this out.
Ok this is very difficult for me because i just started studing this question. What i would like to know is what have you decided from your studies and does anyone know the statistics on how many beleive in the 607 dat and how many beleive in the 586/587 date.
The watchtower likes to say they agree with the 607 because that number is based on the bible when the 586/587 is based on secular history.
From what ive read so far the mojority thinks it to be 586/587 because most searches ive done give me that date.
What have you come up with in your research?
I feel like you almost need to be a scholar to figure this out.
Thx I really need help with this if you have studied this question.
i know this subject has been discussed over and over again on here.
an article i came across, which i'm sure enough know based on prior comments.. lifetime earnings soar with educationlifetime earnings soar with education.
masters degree worth $2.5 million income over a lifetime .
I just had a visit from the PO and argued to him about the going to college issue. Especially when they make propoganda dvd's on (pursue goals that honor God). This is a recent dvd and every charachter that was going to college was portrayed as eveil and self interested. They don't get it he was trying to suggest i was leaning toward apostasy and i told him to get out of my house.
Your not allowed to ask questions on there theology just lie down and take the big JW cock up your ass with no vaseline. Just like a madrassa if the kids here all this by the time they are able to go to college they will already be trained and think its evil and self interested.
He must be a weak brother he is going to college. How nice of them to think this way
You should see the video a friend of my wife sent it has a 3 year old boy going up to the podium to read the bible i used to think how nice but now i think this makes me sick. There already programming them.
If anyone has connections try to watch the dvd Pursue Goals That Honor God. The title speaks volumes
i was a regular pioneer for a while during the mid 90s, about a year or two after the knowledge book replaced the live forever book as the primary bible study manual.
around that time the society began to spew a bunch of b.s.
about the end being so near (hadn't heard that one before) and how there were waiting lists for bible studies in many former soviet countries.
Once again another tactic oh its reall close now we must hurry before the end. I totally remember going out on studies with people and the person could barely read let alone understand anything and most the time those studies did not go anywhere.
a long time ago, well, 1992, hurricane andrew hit the homestead area of southern florida.
among the relief work, the witnesses jumped in to help, mainly their own.
before i was even baptized i headed down with a group of "brothers" to join in the relief work.
If he has a home phone you can look thru the whitepages thru the internet. Just do a search with what area you think he lives in.
Or call information cost like 50 cents tell them the area code city and name of the person.
I found an old friend of my wifes who went to Ecuador as a missionairy for free thru the internet and they had not spoken for like 10 years.
Now they chat thru the internet quite alot.
If they have a residence or a phone they can be found so don't give up!
Buy some beer or wine and kick back and search on the net alot of times there will be people with the same name but they useually have there age there so if you know about how old they are you are set!
Hope you find your old friend.
remember when you could get them in the mail it was so convenient but for some reason they stopped.
so i can't remember the explanation or anything but i'm sure it was nolonger profitable for them.
i guess they found out if you flood the market with literature like any spammer you only get minor results and why spend your own money when you have some fool in his car drive over ther and deliver it!
Remember when you could get them in the mail it was so convenient but for some reason they stopped. So i can't remember the explanation or anything but i'm sure it was nolonger profitable for them. I guess they found out if you flood the market with literature like any spammer you only get minor results and why spend your own money when you have some fool in his car drive over ther and deliver it!
It's funny how they use the same expression to advertise, advertise, advertise our king and his kingdom! Sell, Sell, Sell like in sales position I feel like an idiot when it is so obvious now!
I remember years ago my sister was in sales and she was reading all the magazines and i gave her the reasoning book to read and that was the (Coup de Ta) because she saw all the sales pitches. She never was interested after that again!
Now the Awake/Watchtower magazines you have to pick up in the Kingdom Hall. I learned recently tha the magazines that are being placed to customers are not the same as your subscription at the kingdom hall they are different.
I was told this by a friend even tho my wife is active and she informs me of nothing because she never studies.
So why are they makeing the magazines different from there customers to there employees?
Is it like any corporation that needs to hide there trade secrets and nobody on the outside should be privy to?
I found this out thru youtube and he was showing examples where a book by the society was written and had some old lite in there and they had to get rid of it and add some new light. Is this common for Religious organizations to do this. So when there is a reprint of this same book the error is removed and replaced with something else. So the new reader will never see this mistake and there bases are covered.
Please add your thought and experiences to my Questions and rants!
could i have your top ten reasons why "da troof" is not the truth ?.
i know it may be difficult to limit yourself to ten,or you may only have one,one is enough if it is big, after all,but i would love to have your thoughts.. peace and love to all,.
wobble.
Guilty by disassociating yourself. The more you stop going to meetings the more your not out in field servce the more your frowned upon! your looked upon like a weak brother.
I remeber when i first learned the truth 20 years ago and started studying i moved into a small apartment behind a house of one of the annointed.I was 18 and did construction at that time and worked by myself went to the meettings by myself and nobody invited me anywhere and i had stopped visiting my old friends and was never so miserable and depressed in my life!
I think being a Jehovahs Witness and Depression go hand in hand i never met so many people on Anti depressants no wonder i never associated with many!
Notice they preach against drugs but they all seem to be on em!
There's my rant
okay maybe i'm a little slow but i'm finally beginning to understand how all the "new light" is tied together.
this has all been prompted for me by my reading of the 1914 chapter in "crisis of conscience".
see, the door to heaven which was previously closed in 1935 has been reopened.
So what will happen is the old people that was hearing all the 1914 horse shit either died off or are gonna die off soon. I'ts simple the more new members you get the less they know about there 1914 date so all they have to do is talk about it less and less and there will be know uproar because all the old members will be dead and nobody will know about the 1914 date. Sweet i should give them my ideas on how to get out of the 1914 date but i'm sure they are masters at deception i'm only a student!
okay the whole thing with 1914 still bugs the poop out of me.
still trying to figure how one can still truly fall for the teachings.
what do they teach about it today anyway?
Do like most of us did and gloss over it because of the other things you heard sounded so good! The issue of 1974 can be explained away by new light but i just happened to be studying the procliamers book yesterday and it was blamed on an associate of Charles Russel who he soon dissociated himself with soon after that mistake! Oops! I meant 1914 i mean 1925 and so on! I look at it this way when they were telling me that this generation wil by no means pass until all these things occur did not happen it was the same instead of choosing a date let's make it a generation and then you have a huge window like when the cable guy comes to your house! i will be there between 1914 and 70-80 years,
i took my old books to my small group at church for show and tell last week.
the bookmark fell out of climax and i saw that this is the last week for that study.
what book are they using next?
I remember when they emphasised how important the book study was when the great tribultion was going to happen because that's where you were supposed to meet when the shit hit the fan.
I spoke recently to a sister who is like 90 on the phone because ive always asked brothers should we store food to prepare for the tribulation and she was the first one who said yes you should. The others i guess are expecting Mana to fall out of the sky!
I got a little off but There should be some new light next year.
Stay Tuned!