Posts by Number1Anarchist

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

My point is being answered BurnTheShips and snowbird don't agree and both are Chiristians? you both read the same scripture and get 2 or more meanings out of it. how can a book do that. The only book on the planet that people can read and not see it the same. what kind of evil book is this? lol

Ok so people have always clinged to his teaching but they also are clinging to man made nonsense at the same time. I guess it is something i will never understand but my point is proven that you both read the same scripture and interpret it differently. To Mention Peter and everybody else are behind the gates of hell or in heaven is all speculation and neither have a clue where they are. That's another problem of mine is baseless arguements. You can't prove it so why say it.

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

wtwizard i can totally agree i think if you are indoctrinated into whatever church you have an understanding of god that becomes set in stone and after that point overlook everything the God of the bible does in certain situations. alot of things mentioned in the bible like the flood for example makes no sense. why would God flood the world knowing it would just become wicked again down the road. So basically God drowned everyone but Noah and his family. If you really start to do an investigation into the bible being the word of God it starts to fall apart, atleast that's what i'm seeing. Thx

abbagail The name Peter means rock so i think you have misunderstood the beginning because i'm not argueing about the beginning. Look at some translations of the bible and all them seem to agree that Peter is the rock that Jesus is speaking of. Peter is the rock because he is the Person Jesus is using to establish his Church. He said on this Rock referring to Peter. Look into that one some more because i think all the translations i have read have said Peter is the rock and his name means rock. So if you say the it is the Church you need to explain in more detail what that means. The definition of church can be a building or a Congregation of believers so what exactly is this supposed to mean. As i explained before Jesus also said that Wolves would enter his Congragation to the point of being its spiritual leaders. Look throughout history and even now all the spirtual leaders getting thereselves involved with Killing, homosexuality, politics, stealing money or whatever else you can think of. so your telling me that even though you have this the believers won't have there faith destroyed in the resurrection. The Church Jesus established has been destroyed because there is no church on the planet that is a true worshiper and teaches truth.

Snowbird i see you agree with abbagail please explain in more detail why you believe it is the Church. the Church that Jesus established nolonger exists. Who teaches what Jesus taught without all the nonsense. Not one. I think i prayed alot when i was a Witness and prayed for truth and guess what i got. I got stuck in the Watchtower until i figured it out on my own. Why wouldn't this loving God just direct everyone to him if they were sincere. But he reads the heart so my heart must be wicked because he does not lead me to the truth. I think alot of it has to do with blind faith something i learned through the Watchtower i cannot do anymore.

Witness007 lol Ya i bet when they read it they said to themselves this guy must be posessed by satan to write a book so full of nonsense and we must stone him for writing such a crazy book. Revelation is one book that nobody understands but they sure love to interpret it. The Churches love Revelation, it keeps those followers right in line and scares the shit out of em.

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

Lol, the Jury on religion is already out for me. I want nothing to do with religion of any kind i will follow nobody but myself. The bible as oompa put it, im learning is a story book.

Oompa ya it can be tuff at times that's for sure. Hope we can both work through are questions or just be satisfied with no answers but it can be fun in the process learning.

Nobodies interpreted my scripture yet.lol

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

Lol, I'm almost there with you. I'm starting to lean that the bible is just a made up story book. thx

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

If you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that. Now i still do reasearch on the bible and i am starting lean that it is a strange book full of nonsens but the Jury for me is still out on that final verdict.

I was on youtube and the guy quotes this scripture which i never read before. Answer me this, what is this scripture saying to you and why do you have to pray to God to understand his book that he wrote for us. lol Here is the scripture with different interpretations. He understands it as one thing and i understand it as another. This is what he last said to me."ask jesus if He would bring clarity to this. If he is willing the HOLY SPIRIT will reveal it to you".

Matthew 16:18 (Wycliffe New Testament)

18 And I say to thee, that thou art Peter, and on this stone I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not have power against it. [And I say to thee, for thou art Peter, and upon this stone I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not have might, or strength, against it.]

Matthew 16:18 (New Living Translation)
18 Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

Matthew 16:18 (New American Standard Bible)

18"I also say to you that you are (A)Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of (B)Hades will not overpower it.

The way i look at this scripture is Peter is the rock that Jesus is establishing his church on we both agree on that but he is telling me that the powers of hell will not conquer it? (the church) while i think the powers of hell will not overpower what Peter is assigned to do?What do you see it as. Let me know even if you don't beleive in the bible. How would you interpret the (IT) in this scripture.

We all know the Church itself has been overpowered even Jesus said somewhere that wolves would enter the congregation. so if wolves enter your congregation wouldn't that conquer it?

Why would you have to pray for understanding of a book written 2000+ years ago for people who had no education?

I'm about to toss the bible out the window i'm so sick of this nonsense. Thx

I copied and pasted the scriptures he used and the video for some reason posted and has nothing to do with the subject but feel free to watch if you like.

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I want to go home

by mrsjones5 in

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friends

my hubby is sick but he's working at home as a consultant, which consists of a lot of phone calls from bed all day and into the night.

he just completed his first deal and should be getting his fee by friday or early next week.

it's a pretty big fee and we were considering buying another bigger house in the town we now live in.

Number1Anarchist

I lived in Florida for 3 years and always thought about coming back to California.

I came back 2 years ago and was happier than ever.

Thx

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The All Knowing Creator?

by Number1Anarchist in

why would a creator write a book knowing in the future it would splinter into absolute madness?.

judeism?.

muslim?.

Number1Anarchist

Slappy, i'm not looking for your approval. Ok, Are you a Christian? I can guarantee you,You hold onto Organized beliefs! Do you believe the trinity? Are you going to Heaven? Then you try to explain to me how i need to draw close to God. Is the bible the word of God? , not how do i draw close to God. Christians are quite hard for me to deal with because theyr'e no different than the Jehovah Witnesses because they like to tell you how you need to worship God even though you never asked them.

Next time you may want to look at the title of the subject and try and answer that.

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The All Knowing Creator?

by Number1Anarchist in

why would a creator write a book knowing in the future it would splinter into absolute madness?.

judeism?.

muslim?.

Number1Anarchist

Slappy, thx for clarifing yoursel.I still don't agree with the grow some balls comment and stop blameing everyone. I think that's why i alot of us come on this page, we are looking for truth and searching it out for ourselves. I don't know of anyone who frequents sites like this and you would be hard pressed to find any. People don't discuss the bible, that's why we come here. I love this site and enjoy a wide variety of topics.

Sure i can sit in my closet and read the bible and draw close to God but there is alot of strange things in that book that i can tell you, you don't understand.

That's my point. if this book was written for man then why all the parables and illustrations and explain Revelation that's one unexplainable book that has thousands of interpretations.

It's all unexplainable yet you have to have faith which i find hard to do in something so confuesing. You can tell me you have faith but to tell me you understand the entire bible and what it says and what it means you would be lieing to me.

This book was written when most the population were simple farms with no education. So why make a book confuseing to those types of people. Makes sense to you but not to me.

Anyway hope you get where i'm coming from.

cameo-d Yep i totally agree. God's will is a mystery , so why write a book for man and make it all so mysterious and confuseing and tell you to put all your faith in that. I mean that's called Blind Faith!

I mean i'm not saying there's not a creator just yet, because i look at his creation, but to call that book his word is disturbing.

Like i said before i'm starting to think the Bible is Satans biggest deception, look at all the division because of it. If the creator knew this would happen, why would he write a book that would divide the people.

That's the 144,000 dollar question. Thx

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The All Knowing Creator?

by Number1Anarchist in

why would a creator write a book knowing in the future it would splinter into absolute madness?.

judeism?.

muslim?.

Number1Anarchist

Well put. Jesus voiced a similar idea in relation to why he spoke in parables (sry, don't know the portion off the top of my head).
Furthermore, it really is only something we can honestly conclude on our own. Relying on any organization to tell us what the Bible says or doesn't say is relying on man. Don't know about others, but I have a very very hard time putting any sort of faith in man, myself included. As such I'm always refreshing myself on what is laid out in the Bible, always looking for new insight, and always looking to stay true to His will for me.
slappy

Staying true to his will? what exactly is that? What is Gods Will? Is Gods will for us to Grow a big pair of nuts and walk bow legged? I mean you quoted Loubelles strange comment. This whole time i thought i had to read the bible when in fact i just had to have a big pair of nuts! None of us have any faith in man, or professed any. This is a discussion whether the bible is the word of God or not. This book was written by men who you or i do not trust that's why i question it.

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The All Knowing Creator?

by Number1Anarchist in

why would a creator write a book knowing in the future it would splinter into absolute madness?.

judeism?.

muslim?.

Number1Anarchist

Oh, Ok, That Grow some balls and stop blameing others really through me off. I don't really see anyone blameing anyone here except when it comes to the Watchtower misleading us and hideing the facts from us other than that i'm fine. I think most people who became a Witless would have never if the internet existed at the time. I enjoy discussing theses things and it's really hard to find anything like this locally. thx