Posts by cameo-d

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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

cameo-d

Shelby and Waterspout you are both making a mockery. It is blasphemous.

The "spirit" is not some spook talking to you via galactic intercom in an audible voice. The "spirit" is supposed to be within you. It is called your conscience.

I think the two of you are hung up on your own importance. That's called "EGO". It is also deceptive to put on these grand pretensious airs like you think you are more special than anyone else. So special that God himself comes down to talk to you. That makes you ABOVE anyone else on this board who does not hear from "him". That's what you want, isn't it? Noteriety and Fame? Extra-super-specialness? Better than everyone else? SO much better than all of us because God actually values YOUR opinion.

Maybe next time you can tell us how God often asks for YOUR advice on matters.

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A You a Ward of the Watch Tower?

by cameo-d in

what made jesus 'perfect'?.

he followed the laws of his own conscience.

we were all born with the innate ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil.. .

cameo-d

cantleave: "Cameo'd have you ever been a witness?"

Are we revisiting the premise that I have nothing valid to say because I am not "one of you"?

Am I once again the intended victim of religious discrimination on this board?

Do ex-jws still have that craving that draws the JWs-----that need to be extra special and exclusive?

That ordinary people can never "qualify" to be a part of that "extra specialness" because they lack the gullability and vanity so inherent in the JW personality?

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How Did You Finally "Get Out Of Her" (JWs)??

by minimus in

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what situation(s) got you out of the organization, either mentally or physically or both?

what was your "last straw"?.

cameo-d

Minimus: "If only the "Truth" was honest and above board. You are made to accept the rules of the religion and for many, it was only a 6 month or less "study", and then you get baptized and never really know what you've gotten yourself into."

This is exactly the way that Secret Societies operate. It starts out with ritual that is overwhelming, very formal, and no questions can be asked or answered. And if you do ask questions, the answers are ambigious. The procedures of Watch Tower are so similar in nature that it is an indication that they are tied up into the organizations of Secret Societies.

Most people who join Secret Societies do not realize what they have gotton themselves into until they are knee deep and its too late. Then, the organization uses leverages to hold them in. With WT, they hold your family as the leverage to keep you in line and keep you in slavery. In other societies it may be lucrative business connections, bribery and blackmail. Sometimes they set up the opportunities and "parties" in which they arrange the evidence to use to blackmail you.

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A You a Ward of the Watch Tower?

by cameo-d in

what made jesus 'perfect'?.

he followed the laws of his own conscience.

we were all born with the innate ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil.. .

cameo-d

Brotherdan: "I've imagined myself coming up with a GREAT defense and DA letter and presenting it to them. But what would be the point? They wouldn't listen. "

First of all, your letter would not need to be a "defense" of why you don't believe their dogma and dictates. It doesn't matter WHAT you believe about them, your pledge was to be loyal to the company whatever they say because you agreed that all of their rules and regulations and teachings come from God. Your "defense" is a waste of time. Nobody tells Pharoah that he mistaken in his reasoning, let alone a lowly slave!

Second of all, your letter should actually be a Legal Notice of asseverance. It requires no defense of your views, because your focus should be addressing the illegal aspects of a fraudulent contract, such as non-disclosure. Also contracts that were made with minors are illegal in all states; and since the Watch Tower is a publishing Corp. they have crossed the line in contracting with minors and the mentally unsound. A legal document exposing this would put them in their place.

I believe that if enough people took the approach to nail them to the "pole" for fraud, deception, coersion, threats, non-disclosure, loss of affection from one's family, etc. and went about doing this in a way that is legally recognized as having validity, that the Tower would crumble very fast.

Watch Tower is a publishing corporation masquerading as a religion. Actually, I think that's why Jehovah's Witnesses are billed separately from the Corp. But it is the Corp. that has put your policies in place and is ultimately responsible.

Brotherdan, furthermore, you say you would "present the DA letter to them". Who is "them"? What I am talking about is not a local presentation to the judicial committee.

What I propose is writing a legal construct and mailing it directly to the gods at Brooklyn. No need to subject yourself to any lashings by your local BOE.

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A You a Ward of the Watch Tower?

by cameo-d in

what made jesus 'perfect'?.

he followed the laws of his own conscience.

we were all born with the innate ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil.. .

cameo-d

Borgdrone: "There is one elder that will approach me for my time slip. "

Just remember that every time you put YOUR SIGNATURE on any Watch Tower document....whether it is a time slip or signing for magazines and materials that the act of YOUR SIGNATURE is a re-confirmation and update of your "contract" with them.

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A You a Ward of the Watch Tower?

by cameo-d in

what made jesus 'perfect'?.

he followed the laws of his own conscience.

we were all born with the innate ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil.. .

cameo-d

Quandro: "@Borgdrone I would show up five min. late to meeting and exit quickly and make them hunt you down, and when they do in a calm voice stay you are reporting 0 because you have been stressed out..."

"You can stand in your power..."

Giving lies and excuses are NOT "standing in power". You are hung by your own words and that is what makes you rightly called an "evil slave".

There is no honor in lying; that is shame. Excuses are shame. I don't think you even understand the concept of power or righteousness. Perhaps you do belong in the slave class until you can understand the concepts of honor and act on them.

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A You a Ward of the Watch Tower?

by cameo-d in

what made jesus 'perfect'?.

he followed the laws of his own conscience.

we were all born with the innate ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil.. .

cameo-d

Quandro: "What if during your baptism you said out loud NO to all the questions, it is not my fault no one heard me!"

Then you write a letter and tell them you were under duress, threat, and coersion when you were baptised. No contract is valid under those conditions.

I don't doubt that you did suffer those conditions from your family, friends, and WT henchmen.

Oh, and be sure to have your letter notarized and have two additional witnesses sign for verification. This now makes your letter a Legal Instrument. You might also want to title it as a NOTICE instead of a letter.

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A You a Ward of the Watch Tower?

by cameo-d in

what made jesus 'perfect'?.

he followed the laws of his own conscience.

we were all born with the innate ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil.. .

cameo-d

Borgdrone: "The month end is today and the field service reports are due this week. There is one elder that will approach me for my time slip. Are there any tips I can use to get him off my back?"

You agreed to the terms and conditions. You are the one who committed to do this. The elder is only acting because you have given him your permission. You pledged to be a Watch Tower slave when you joined the Organization. Comply or bend over for your 40 lashes. Should a slave be greater than his Master?

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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

jw
friends

my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

cameo-d

PSacremento:

Jaheshua is Jesus in Hebrew ( one of the ways of spelling/writing Jesus in Hebrew).

Mischajah means "son of Jah (God's name)" I think.

Jah's son=Jason

There is a Secret Society group that wears regalia of a dead sheep hanging as a medallion.

What is their purpose? Those who trade their birthright for a bowl of beans will be sacrificed at the end of the Age.

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A You a Ward of the Watch Tower?

by cameo-d in

what made jesus 'perfect'?.

he followed the laws of his own conscience.

we were all born with the innate ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil.. .

cameo-d

Wobble: "I would not recommend any who are simply trying to fade take any such action."

Taking back your personal power and your claim of sovereign birthright to walk guided by your own conscience seems a difficult task for those who are weak willed. Granted, the course of action outlined is certainly not for everyone. Many people do not want to take the responsibility for their own actions and thus, they do need someone to rule over them.

Wobble: "It depends when you were baptised, the vows I took in 1962 said nothing about loyalty to the Org, simply that one looked for salvation through Jesus Christ."

It depends on when you were baptised? Did you make that up yourself, Wobble? Of course you did! You are using that an excuse designed to deny that there is a legally existing contract. Your baptism is a legal contract of allegiance and loyalty no matter when you were baptised. The baptism is a public confirmation of the contract of rulership. Nevermind that the contract may be fraudulent, as in being told that they are God's mouthpiece.

If I told you I was the Queen of Sheeba and you believed me....regardless of whether I am lying or not.....and you took a pledge to serve me based on my promise of some future paradise I would lead you to.....you have still entered a contract with me. When you later learn that I have misrepresented myself, the honorable thing to do is, not to hide from my wrath and long arm of punishment, but to extract yourself completely! You may be a runaway slave, but I still have a contract that proves I own you.

As far as "saying nothing" about loyalty to the org. there are things within a contract known as "adhesions" and implied intent. These are cleverly designed deceptions. Much in your contract with WT was undisclosed, which actually makes it a fraudulent contract. Were you given full disclosure about the rules and regulations of the "Society"? Were you made aware of all the corporate policies, i.e. shunning, shepherding calls, turning in corporate time cards, meeting attendance requirements, policies dictating what you may read and may not read, corporate dictates on approved entertainment, etc?

Wobble:"It matters not that they think they have a hold over you, unless you let it matter."

My dog hides under the bed when it thunders. He thinks hiding makes him "disappear" from the Thunder Gods. A runaway slave is still a slave. A legal piece of paper is still a contract until you say the magic words to dissolve it.

Wobble: "They are an insignificant little Cult, once you have left just leave them in your past."

Is it so easily done if you are married? And a contract does marry you. This is why you must reclaim your Virginity in order to truly escape. You do this by denying, nulling and voiding the contracts.

If you are married and you simply walk away, are you still liable? Are you free? Does walking away truly dissolve the matter? Are you still looking over your shoulder? Minding your p's and q's? Hiding your true self?

If you are married, are you free to contract with another? Will you be free to consummate a marriage with the True Bridegroom? That would be a judgement of bigamy against you. You must be judgment proof. Can you simply desert and be free of the obligation and contract? A runaway slave is still a legally owned slave.