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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

MadGiant

"Umm, yes spike...The WT insists its members stay away from "apostate" sites"

I belive you are right, sir.

"connecting a computer to an electronic bulletin board can open the way to serious spiritual dangers. Just as an unscrupulous individual can place on a bulletin board a virus-a program designed to corrupt and destroy computer files-apostates, clergymen, and persons seeking to corrupt others morally or otherwise can freely place their poisonous ideas on bulletin boards. Unless a bulletin board, even one labeled "JW Only," is properly supervised, with its use being limited to those who are mature, faithful servants of Jehovah, it could expose Christian users to "bad associations." (1 Cor. 15:33) The Society has received reports that such so-called private networks have been used not only to speculate regarding spiritual matters but also to give bad advice, spread gossip and false information, plant negative ideas, raise questions and doubts that subvert the faith of some, and disseminate private interpretations of Scripture. On the surface, some information may appear to be Interesting and informative, and yet it may be laced with poisonous elements. Christians look to "the faithful and discreet slave" for timely spiritual food and for clarifications." (Watchtower, August 1, 1993, p17)

Take care,

Ismael

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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

MadGiant

"it is NOT the "WTS" who insists that Reniaa and I stay away from these websites, November 1999: Kingdom Ministry: Internet Use"

USE OF THE INTERNET - BE ALERT TO THE DANGERS

Jehovah's people enjoy wholesome association with one another. They enjoy sharing experiences from the field ministry and appreciate hearing about events that occur in connection with Jehovah's Witnesses and the Kingdom work around the globe. They like to be informed about anything outstanding that may happen to our brothers, such as a crisis or a natural disaster, and they want to know if there is something they can do to help. Such interest shows the unity of the brotherhood, proving that we do indeed love one another. -John 13: 34,35;
Today, we hear about world events quickly. Radio and television broadcasts give live coverage of events in full detail to audiences all over the globe. The telephone also makes it possible to communicate immediately with people around the world. In communications a recent phenomenon that is taking the world by storm is the Internet. -See Awake! July 22, 1997.
The invention of the telephone opened the way to fast personal communication world-wide. Although the telephone is very useful, caution is needed in the way it is employed, as it can be a tool for improper association or activities, and overuse of the telephone can be expensive. Television and radio have potential in the field of education. Sadly, though, much of the programming is morally corrupt, and attention to it is a waste of time. Wisdom dictates that we be very selective in the use of television and radio.
The Internet enables one to communicate inexpensively with millions of others throughout the world, and it opens the door to vast amounts of information. (Awake! Jan 8, 1998) The indiscriminate use of the Internet, however, can expose a person to great spiritual danger and moral dangers. How is this so?
Many are concerned about readily available information that shows how to build weapons, including bombs. Industry complains about the amount of time workers waste using the internet. Much has been stated in our publications about the obvious spiritual dangers encountered on the Internet. Numerous Web Sites present violent and pornographic material that is entirely unsuitable for Christians. (Ps 119: 37) In addition to these dangers, there is a more insidious danger that Jehovah's Witnesses in particular need to be on guard against. What is this danger?
Would you invite a stranger into your home without first finding out who he is? What if there was no way to find out? Would you allow such a stranger to be alone with your children? This is an indisputable possibility on the Internet.
Electronic mail can be sent to and received from people you do not know. The same is true when you converse electronically in a forum or in a chat room. Participants may at times claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses, but often they are not. Someone may claim to a youth when he or she is not. Or a person may even falsely claim to be of a certain gender.
Information passed on to you may come in the form of experiences or comments about our beliefs. This information is passed on to others who, in turn pass it on to still others. The information is generally not verifiable and may be untrue. The comments may be a cover for spreading apostate reasoning. -2 Thess 2: 1-3;
With this danger in mind, if you use the Internet, ask yourself: 'What do I use it for? Is there a possibility that I could be harmed spiritually by how I am using it? Could I be contributing to the spiritual injury of others?
WEB SITES OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: Consider, for example, some Internet sites set up by individuals who claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses. They invite you to visit their web sites to read experiences posted by others who claim to be Witnesses. You are encouraged to share you thoughts and views about the Society's literature. Some give recommendations about presentations that could be used in the field ministry. These site offer chat rooms for individuals to connect to, allowing live communication with others, similar to talking on the telephone. They often point you to other sites where you can have online association with Jehovah's Witnesses around the world. But can you tell for certain that these contacts have not been planted by apostates?
Having association via the Internet may not be consistent with the recommendation found at Eph 5: 15-17. The apostle Paul wrote: Keep strict watch that how YOU walk is not as unwise but as wise [persons], buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked. On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is."
The Christian congregation is the theocratic means through which we are fed spiritually by "the faithful and discreet slave" (Matt 24: 45-47) Within God's organization, we find direction and protection to keep us separate from the world as well as motivation to keep busy in the work of the Lord. (1 Cor 15: 58) The Psalmist indicated that he experienced joy and a feeling of security among God's congregated people. (Ps 27: 4,5; Ps 55: 14; Ps 122:1) The congregation also provides spiritual support and assistance for those associated with it. Therein, you can find a group of loving, concerned, and caring friends - people you personally know they are ready and willing to help and comfort others in time of distress. (2 Cor 7: 5-7) Congregation members are protected by the Scriptural provision for disfellowshipping those who sin unrepentantly or who promote apostate thinking. ( 1 Cor 5: 9-13; Titus 3: 10,11) Can we expect to find these same loving arrangements when associating with others via the Internet?
It has become apparent that the opposite is true. Some Web sites are clearly vehicles for apostate propaganda. (Ahem, H20) Such Web sites may claim otherwise, and those who sponsor a site may give a detailed explanation to affirm that they truly are Jehovah's Witnesses. They may even request information from you in order to verify 'you' are one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jehovah wants you to exercise discernment. Why? Because he knows that it will safeguard you from various dangers. Pr 2: 10-19 opens by saying: "When wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge itself becomes pleasant to your very soul, thinking ability itself will keep guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you from what? From such things as "the bad way" those leaving upright paths, and people who are immoral and devious in their general course.
When we go to the Kingdom Hall, there is no question that we are with our brothers. We know them. No one requires authentication of this because the brotherly love manifested make it obvious. We are not personally required to provide credentials to prove that we are one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is here that we find true interchange of encouragement that Paul spoke about at Heb 10: 24,25; Web sites that encourage on-line association cannot be depended on to provide this. Having in mind the words of Ps 26: 4,5; can alert us to dangers that could easily be encountered when using Web sites on the Internet.
There are no limits or checks on the kind of information that is maintained by and accessible to Internet users. Often, children and teenagers are easy targets of crime and exploitation in this environment. Children are trusting, curious, and anxious to explore the relatively new world of cyberspace. Parents therefore need to supervise their children and give them sound Scriptural guidance about using the Internet, just as they would guide them in their choice of music or movies. 1 Cor 15: 33.
Sadly, some who were once our brothers and sisters have had to be disfellowshipped because of association that started be meeting worldly individuals in chat rooms on the Internet and eventually led to immorality. In shocked disbelief, elders have written that some actually left their husbands or wives to pursue a relationship that began on the Internet. (2 Tim 3: 6) Other individual have disowned the truth because of believing information provided by apostates. (1 Tim 4: 1,2;) Given these very serious dangers, does it not seem reasonable to be cautious about becoming involved in chat sessions on the Internet? Certainly, exercising the wisdom, knowledge, thinking ability, and discernment spoken of at Pr 2: 10-10 should safeguard us in this.
Noticeably, there have been a number of individuals who have created Web sites ostensibly to preach the good news. Many of these sites are sponsored by indiscrete brothers. Other sites may be sponsored by apostates who wish to lure unsuspecting ones. (2 John 9-11) Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to creates such Web sites, "Our Kingdom Ministry" November 1997, page 3, stated: "There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah's Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site (www.watchtower.org) presents accurate information for any who want it "
STUDY AIDS via the INTERNET? Some have felt they are rendering a service to the brothers by posting researched information in connection with various theocratic activities. For example, a person may do research based on a public talk outline and then post this, thinking that such information will benefit those who need to prepare the same outline. Others will post all the Scriptures for an upcoming Watchtower study or provide source material for the Theocratic Ministry School or the Congregation Book study. Some may offer suggestions for field ministry presentations. Are such really helpful?
The publications provided by Jehovah's organization stimulate our minds with up-building thoughts and train us "to distinguish both right and wrong" (Heb 5: 14) Can we say that this is achieved if others do our research for us?
The Beroeans were spoken of as "more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica" Why? Because "they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things where so" (Acts 17: 11) Although Paul and Silas preached to them, they could not make the truth their own without becoming personally involved.
Using another person's research for a talk or for other meeting preparation really defeats the purpose of personal study. Is it not your desire to build up your own personal faith in God's Word? Based on personal conviction, you can then make public expression of your faith-in your talks, in comments at the meetings, and in the field ministry. (Rom 10: 10) Using another person's research does not fit the description given at Pr 2: 4,5; to personally "keep seeking and searching for the very knowledge of God as for his treasures".
For example, when looking up scriptures in your own copy of the Bible, you can briefly review the context of each scripture. You can "trace all things with accuracy" as did Luke when he wrote his Gospel. (Luke 1: 3) The extra effort will also help you to be skillful in looking up scriptures in the ministry and when giving talks. Many have stated that they are impressed with Jehovah's Witnesses because they know how to use their Bibles. The only way that this can apply to us is if we make it a practice personally to look up scriptures in our own Bibles.
USING OUR TIME WISELY: Another consideration in this regard has to do with the amount of time spent creating, reading, and responding to information posted on the Internet. Ps 90: 12, encourages us to pray: "Show us just how to count our days in such a way that we may bring a heart of wisdom in" Paul stated: "The time left is reduced" (1 Cor 7: 29) And further: "Really, then, as long as we have time favourable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith" Gal 6: 10;
Such counsel highlights the need for us to be judicious in the use of our time. How much more profitable it is to spend time reading God's Word! (Ps 1: 1,2;) That is the best association we can have. (2 Tim 3: 16,17) Parents, are you teaching your children the value of using their time wisely in Kingdom pursuits? (Ecc 12: 1) Time spent in personal and family Bible study, meeting attendance, and field ministry far outweighs time spent browsing the Internet, expecting to gain benefits.
In this regard, it is the course of wisdom to focus our attention on spiritual matters and on those things relevant and essential to our lives as Christians. This calls for the making of well- considered choices respecting the information that merits our time and thoughts. As Christians, that which is relevant to our lives is summed up by Christ, who said: "Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU." (Matt 6: 33) Are you not happiest when your life is filled with Kingdom pursuits rather than any other activity?
INTERNET E-MAIL: Although sharing personal experiences or thoughts among family members or friends who live far apart is appropriate, is it really loving to pass these on to others who may not know your family or friends? Or should these be posted on a Web page for just anyone to read? Are these personal messages to be copied and sent indiscriminately to people whom you may or may not know? Likewise, if you receive from others that were clearly not intended for you, is it loving to pass them on to still to others?
What if the experience you pass on is not accurate? Would this not be sharing in perpetuating an untruth? (Pr 12: 19; Pr 21: 28; Pr 30: 8; Col 3: 9) Certainly, keeping strict watch that how[we] walk is not as unwise but as wise persons" would move us to consider this. (Eph 5: 15) How happy we are that the 'Yearbook' the Watchtower' and Awake! are filled with verifiable experiences that encourage us and motivate us to keep walking in "the way"! Isa 30: 20,21;
There is also another danger: The apostle Paul said concerning some: "They also learn to be unoccupied, gadding about to the houses; yes, not only unoccupied, but also gossipers and meddlers in other people affairs talking of things they ought not" (1 Tim 5: 13) This agues against spending time and effort passing on frivolous information to our brothers.
Think, too, of the amount of time that it takes to keep up with a large quantity of E-Mail. Interestingly, the book Data Smog stated: "As one spends more and more time online, e-mail quickly changes from being a stimulating novelty to a time-consuming burden with dozens of messages to read and answer every day from colleagues, friends, family, ... and unsolicited sales pitches" Further, it states: "Many electronic glutizens have picked up the very bad habit of forwarding every entertaining nugget they receive jokes, urban myths, electronic chain letters, and more - to everyone on their electronic address book".
This has been evident in the E-mail circulated among many of the brothers - such items as jokes or humorous stories on our beliefs; illustrations from various talks heard at assemblies, conventions, or at the Kingdom Hall; experiences from the field ministry; and so forth - things that seem innocent enough. Most routinely forward such E-mail without checking the source, making it difficult to know who really is the originator, which ought to make one wonder if the information is really true. Pr 22: 20,21;
Such often - frivolous messages are not the kind of healthful words that Paul had in mind when he wrote to Timothy, saying: "Keep holding 'the pattern of healthful words' that you heard from me with the faith and love that are in connection with Christ Jesus" (2 Tim 1: 13) The "pure language" of Scriptural truth has "the pattern of healthful words" based mainly on the Bible's theme of the vindication of Jehovah's Sovereignty by means of the Kingdom. (Zeph 3: 9) We should make every effort to devote all our available time and energy to support this vindication of Jehovah's Sovereignty.
Since we are deep in the time of the end of this system of things, this is not time to let our guard down. The Bible warns us "Keep YOUR senses, be watchful. YOUR adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour [someone]". (1 Pet 5: 8) It further states: "Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; (Eph 6 11
If misused, the Internet can be a means by which Satan overreaches those who are seduced by its power. Although it may have limited usefulness, there is danger if it is not viewed with caution. Parents especially need to be concerned about their children's use of the Internet.
Keeping a balanced view of the Internet is a protection. We appreciate the timely reminder by Paul: Let .. those making use of the world [be] as those not using it to the full; for the scene of the world is changing" (1 Cor 7: 29-31) Having these things in mind will help keep us and our families from becoming distracted by all the world has to offer, including what is available on the Internet.
It is imperative that we stay close to our brothers in the congregation and use the remaining time wisely, thus making ourselves available for the advancing Kingdom interests. As this system nears its finish, let us "no longer go on walking just as the nations also walk in the unprofitableness of their minds" but let us "go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is" Eph 4: 17; Eph 5: 17;

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Post a U-tube of your Favorite Songs from Music groups or Singers

by flipper in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weiyggwt6no.

MadGiant

Dave Matthews Band - #41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uesIbOfT8hk

Take care,

Ismael

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Another JW Caught in the Act

by jamiebowers in

this was posted on facebook by a fellow exjw:.

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=115905575893&h=iugq7&u=dfsnw&ref=nf.

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MadGiant

Man jailed for sex attack on woman, 89

Published Date: 31 July 2009

A Wigan pensioner was sexually attacked in her own home by a man pretending to be a trainee doctor.

The 89-year-old woman was brutally assaulted by a man who regularly delivered her medication to her flat in Ashton.

Daniel Simonetti, a Jehovah's Witness, let himself into the old lady's home uninvited at 4.30pm on March 11 this year and, without bringing her medication, locked the door of her Ashton home and molested her.

Liverpool Crown Court heard that Simonetti, 31, had indecently assaulted a four-year-old girl 13 years ago. He never appeared in court over that, as the police gave him a caution.

Jailing Simonetti indefinitely, Judge John Roberts branded him "dangerous to vulnerable females" and said he found it remarkable that he was not prosecuted for the first offence.

Judge Roberts said that Simonetti had caused the pensioner "immense pain" during the serious sexual assault.

He imposed an indeterminate sentence and ordered him to serve at least three years but warned it would be up to the Parole Board to decide when and if he should be released. He also ordered him to sign on the Sex Offenders Register for life.

Keith Sutton, prosecuting, said: "He said he had come to take urine and was a trainee doctor." He carried out a serious sexual assault, causing his victim to cry out.

Mr Sutton said: "Simonetti pretended to talk to a medic on his phone and then went into her bathroom. He came out after a few minutes and then returned to the bathroom locking the door."

A neighbouring friend called at the flat and found the door locked. Simonetti let her in and he talked to them both before leaving, said Mr Sutton.

After the victim said what happened, the police were called and she was medically examined. She was found to have bruises and swelling.
Simonetti was arrested two days later. Simonetti, of Roper Street, St Helens, denied rape, which was dropped, but admitted assault by penetration. He has no previous convictions.

Defence barrister Paul Treble said Simonetti, who is deaf, was contrite and regretful. Mr Treble said: "He accepts it was a terrible offence."

The full article contains 370 words and appears in Wigan Evening Post newspaper.

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Last Updated: 31 July 2009 9:27 AM
Source: Wigan Evening Post
Location: Wigan

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Insomniacs...your tricks for staying asleep?

by restrangled in

jw
friends

personally i have tried ambien,....yes puts me out but i am up in 2 to 3 hours.....heavy doses borrowed from those taking it for years.

they are shocked it dosen't keep me down.

i just wake up woozey....i hate it.. i can fall asleep easy but just dont stay asleep....its absolutely awful.. i wake up probably 3 times a night if not more, ....i take the dog out, whether he wants to or not, go out smoke a cig and then go back to sleep.. what i find helps me is very fresh ironed sheets with lavendar scent.....that will give me 3 hours without waking up.. the blankets can't be too cold or too hot,..which is almost impossible to get perfect,....the pillows cant be too hard or too soft....i have at least 6 on the bed to choose from..... what the hell is wrong with me?

MadGiant

It might sound stupid, but I substitute dinner with a bowl of this cereal:

http://www.postcereal.com/cereals/post_selects/?id=blueberry

Take care,

Ismael

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Is Sept. 2009 the Start of The Great Jubilee Year?

by cameo-d in

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read it somewhere.. i know the experts and calculators are here at jwn somewhere.. when exactly is the jubilee year and what does it mean?.

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MadGiant

25 May 2009?

19 Jun 2009?

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Is Sept. 2009 the Start of The Great Jubilee Year?

by cameo-d in

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read it somewhere.. i know the experts and calculators are here at jwn somewhere.. when exactly is the jubilee year and what does it mean?.

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MadGiant

The Jubilee (Hebrew Yovel ????) year, is the year at the end of seven cycles of Sabbatical years (Hebrew Shmita), and according to Biblical regulations had a special impact on the ownership and management of land, in the territory of the kingdoms of Israel and of Judah; there is some debate whether it was the 49th year (the last year of seven sabbatical cycles, referred to as the Sabbath's Sabbath), or whether it was the following 50th year. The English term Jubileederives from the Hebrew term yobel (via Latin:Jubilaeus), which in turn derives from yobhel, meaning ram; [ 1 ] the Jubilee year was announced by a blast on an instrument made from a ram's horn, during that year's Yom Kippur. [ 2 ] The biblical rules concerning Sabbatical years (shmita) are still observed by many religious Jews in the State of Israel, but the regulations for the Jubilee year have not been observed for many centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(Biblical)

http://www.growthingod.org.uk/jubilee.htm

Take care,

Ismael

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Saw an ad on TV for the Bible Students last night...

by drew sagan in

jw
friends

caught the very end of the commercial.

they were giving away a brochure called "science and creation".. i wanted to figure out which group was specifically behind the ad, but failed to remember the toll free number in full.. i know for sure that it was 1-800-???-dawn.

just curious to know who is advertising in my area..

MadGiant

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The Dawn Bible Students Association is a legal entity used by a branch of the Associated Bible Students.

It was founded with the intention of becoming a publishing house to begin distributing the Studies in the Scriptures series written by Charles Taze Russell which the Watchtower Society had ceased publishing and distributing in 1928.

In 1966 the Dawn published 'Oh, the Blessedness'; a small booklet which rejected most of Pastor Russell's views of Bible prophecy and end time predictions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_Bible_Students_Association

Take care,

Ismael

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