"The ark was never found." - prologos
God made the ark disappear. But, we shouldn't be surprised that the top "doug" removed the ark. After all, the guy was depressed after killing every man, woman, child, infant and unborn child on the planet (except drunkard Noah and company).
The ark was probably a painful reminder of this "unfortunate mood swing" (he is omniscience, he saw it coming) and was hence destroyed.
Ismael
"in all truth i dont know what would be my faith if i was born muslim, maybe if thats all i knew, i realize that possabilty. i would hope i would have the abilty to test my beliefs of that system to know it is wrong" - unstop
Do it then. Dare to challenge your believes, they should withstand any scrutiny.
Look at it this way. What if you are worshiping the wrong god?
Ismael
"mad: there is much proof that the bible is true, its histoically correct, the prophecys and what is says about the new birth, i know personally what the bibles says about being changed is true because it happened to me." - unstop
As I say before, I respect you (not your believes), but you. With all due respect, you are dodging the question.
Why do you believe?
You believe in christianity because we were raised in a christian culture. A muslim or a mormon or an orthodox jew (non of the deserve capital letters) believes for the same reason. Religions are spread about on the globe into separate geographical locations much like diets are different around the globe.
I can tie hercules throughout Greece. Elis was a real place. The Euxine Sea is the Black Sea. Nemea is also a real place, and the ruins of most of this places still there today.
Does this make hercules a real historical figure?
Spiritual personal experiences do not count. I am not trying to be a jackass, but I can tell people, in fact I can even convince myself that I was adducted by aliens (no anal probe please) and that doesn't make it so. I will need some kind of evidence.
Dare to question everything. You may not find all the answers, but the things that you will learn will worth the pain.
Take care,
Ismael
" i believe in gods word i believe in the adam and eve account." - unstop
May I ask why?
"BTW, there is no such thing as 'devolution': change happens to fit the environment, and there's no reason or need to insert such value judgments into the process of adaptation." - adamah
I agree with you but not completely, any creature can sprout physical traits that they thought they had abandoned millennia ago.
Atavism is the tendency to revert to ancestral type. In biology, an atavism is an evolutionary throwback, such as traits reappearing which had disappeared generations before.
MadGiant--is that question for me? -
No, I just read the OP.
It seems that unstoppable up to something, but maybe is afraid of the findings if a serious research is made. Next time someone go to the dentist should ask how many kid has she/he treated that don't have Wisdom tooth.
Here in Puerto Rico are many.
Let's start with a simpler question.
Do you know what evolution is?
Do you know how evolution works?
Do you why evolution works?
recent posts from those who may mistakenly consider themselves "believers" demand a safe haven in this forum.
they don't like associating with atheists or someone like me.
of course, there are hundreds of thousands of sites for christian discussion already set up on the internet.
Perhaps they have the need to fell persecution to be sure that they belong the the right religion:
Persecution
John 15:18 ESV
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
Matthew 5:44 ESV
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
2 Timothy 3:12 ESV
Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
1 Peter 3:17 ESV
For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.
1 Peter 4:12-14 ESV
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.
1 Peter 3:16 ESV
Having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.
1 Peter 3:14 ESV
But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,
1 John 3:13 ESV
Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you.
Hebrews 12:3 ESV
Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.
recent posts from those who may mistakenly consider themselves "believers" demand a safe haven in this forum.
they don't like associating with atheists or someone like me.
of course, there are hundreds of thousands of sites for christian discussion already set up on the internet.
"If you have a belief, why do you need my endorsement or freedom from comments by atheists or agnostics? I would expect that you believe your belief. What does it matter if others don't agree with you?" - BotR
First, I would like to apologize in advance for any misspellings and errors. English is my second language. -
Confirmation bias? They read something that supports what they believe, and add it to the "I'm right about this" part inside their brain. Evidence or critical thinking that contradict what they believe is dismissed.
Even if they have doubts, even if they ask questions, they make up a reason to minimize their doubts, dismissed answers or evidence and reinforce their believes.
They convince themselves that their is not enough evidence to shatter their faith. Maybe they think that those answers and evidence are part of the conspiracy from critical thinkers/agnostics/atheists or do whatever it takes to make sure the "I'm wrong about this" part inside their brain remains empty.
Even after getting some good answers to those thought questions, they don't measure or analyze the evidence or what seen logical, but the emotional/social consequences of being wrong. That why most of them ask questions, but almost non of them do some sort of research.
Maybe humans are hard-wired to remain entrenched.
Perhaps I am full of crap and is just this one.
Maybe is this verse: ◄ Mark 16:15 ►
Take care,
Ismael
as i fade further from the jws, i'm finding it increasingly hard to maintain faith in god.
i've been exploring many alternatives from atheism, agnostic, apathetic, pagan, and satanism (not devil worship, but the promotion of self-indulgence) to name a few.
i'm thoroughly intrigued to learn how those of you who remained christian managed to maintain your faith in god and christ, especially after enduring all the lies that we've been told about them.
"The Bible does say to beware of false prophets and not to live by fear of man." -Ding
Don't quote or bring a book that can be used to say whatever you want.
1 Kings 22:23 Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
All KJV
Ismael
