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  The Image of Jesus

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

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  why do wts portraythe messiah with neatly combed, cut hair and western origin looking in their pictures.

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  The Image of Jesus

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
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  why do wts portraythe messiah with neatly combed, cut hair and western origin looking in their pictures.

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  "Why do WTS portrayThe Messiah with neatly combed, cut hair and western origin looking in their pictures" - giveme

  Really, will you tell me your agenda? Why you always focus in the same demographics? (JW's)

  You can find a "white" "jesus" painting in the Room of The Segnatura at the Vatican. The thing is Yeshua, if he ever existed should have looked a lot more Middle Eastern seeing as he was... well... Middle Eastern.

  Leonardo and Michelangelo painted jesus "white" during the Renaissance and that became the "definitive" versions of his image, and they were just portraying him as a Italian man, like everyone else in their paintings.

  European paintings from the Medieval ages did the same whitewashing, most likely because, in the age of the Crusades, the Church was better off not reminding people they were praying to a little, brown Jew.

  This racial artistic license isn't exclusive to white people, either, Jesus has been portrayed as Black, Hispanic and Asian, depending on who painted the picture.

  Ismael

  ps: I have no respect for you, my friend.
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

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  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  "That was for the first centruy believers who witnessed everythign Christ said . Fully accomplished in their generation, the testimony of that is in the scriptures" - giveme

  Will you please tell me what parts of the bible (at least the New Testament) applied for the 1st century christians and what parts apply today.

  Ismael
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  MadGiant

  “Every sect is a certificate that God has not plainly revealed his will to man. To each reader the Bible conveys a different meaning.” - Robert G. Ingersoll (1833 – 1899)
  
  “The man who does not do his own thinking is a slave, and is a traitor to himself and to his fellow-men.” - Robert G. Ingersoll (1833 – 1899)

  Ismael
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  "Christ conciouness exists for eternity so therefore it does go on after death. If someone is not christ consious by the time they die in the flesh then ? THe fusion between his conciouness and yours takes place. Existing outside of time and motion. We are all Christ conscious even if we do not beleive in him. Because the fathers plan is to reconcile ALL back to himself" - giveme

  This is a very bold claim. Do you have a way to backup those claims? Let's assume for a second that you are correct, then:
  There is no hell, and I will return to christ conscious then what am I saved from?
  Romans 6:23
  If I am christ conscious and eventually will return to him, then why not just be merry and "sin" to my heart’s content, as I am part of jesus already?
  Romans 2:15, 5:12
  1 Timothy 4:10
  If I am part of jesus conscious even if I am not a believer, then what is the point of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross?
  1 John 2:2
  Why bother evangelizing the world?
  John 6:44
  Matthew 24:14

  For God’s true believers, the work of evangelism is obedience to Jesus Christ’s great command to ‘Go out into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Luke 16:15).
  
  Are you trying to deceive people, are you intellectually dishonest or just plain dishonest.

  Ismael
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  "The experiments prove that not only is observation the determining factor, but also time is irrelevant." - Perry
  "Go ahead and tell what the photon behavior does have to do with... if not consciousness. You can win the nobel prize right here." - Perry

  Lanza questions the conventional idea that space and time exist as objective properties of the universe. In doing this, he argues that space and time are products of human consciousness and do not exist outside of the observer.

  The intent behind this argument is to help consolidate the view that subjective experience is all there is. However, if you dig into what Lanza says it becomes clear that he is positioning the relativistic nature of reality to make it seem incongruous with its objective existence. His reasoning relies on a subtle muddling of the concepts of subjectivity and objectivity.

  His model for time can't be verify, therefore cannot be a part of science. The idea of time as a series of sequential events that we perceive and put together in our heads is an experiential version of time. But I agree, in reality time is relative. But time does exist outside of the observer, but allows us only a narrow perception of its true nature. This is a fundamental fact of modern physics.

  In addition, an elementary particle can exist as a superposition of two or more alternative quantum states. When we humans observe such a system, say an electron, with an instrument. At the moment of observation, the wave function appears to collapse into only one of the possible alternative states, the superposition of which was described by the wave function before the event of measurement.

  Two identical particles, in identical initial conditions, need not be observed to be in the same final conditions at a later time.

  Have the claims (eternal soul) been verified by another source?
  Have you ever talk with someone who is dead?
  Is that even possible?
  How does the claim (eternal soul) fit with what we know about how the world works?
  Do your personal beliefs and biases stir you to this conclusions, or vice versa?

  Ismael
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  "Go ahead and tell what the photon behavior does have to do with... if not consciousness. You can win the nobel prize right here.

  You know more than these folks?" - Perry

  My friend, try not to be so arrogant. In addition, don't appeal to authority is a fallacy. He states that when the physicist is looking light will go through the two slits as particles, making two clumps of light on the other side. If the physicist is not looking, however, the light will pass through as a wave and make an interference pattern.

  Read the experiment, the result depend not at all on the presence or absence of an observer or a consciousness. If the photon has to interact with any particle of matter, then the probability wave must collapse and it behaves like a particle. If the photon is not detected, however, then it continues to travel as a wave until it hits the film or photon detector on the other side of the slit, at which point the wave function collapses.

  The only thing that matters is whether or not the photons are detected or interacted with in any way prior to or after passing through the slits. This has absolutely nothing to do with consciousness. If it does how?

  Have the claims (eternal soul) been verified by another source?
  Have you ever talk with someone who is dead?
  Is that even possible?
  How does the claim (eternal soul) fit with what we know about how the world works?

  Do your personal beliefs and biases stir you to this conclusions, or vice versa?

  Ismael
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  MadGiant

  "Did the universe give birth to mind? Or, does mind direct the universe?

  How else are we to understand the implications of the two slit experiment?

  See Robert Lanza's work" - Perry

  I don't know if this was a reply for me, anyway:

  Did the universe give birth to mind? Or, does mind direct the universe?

  I don’t know. The Big Bang is not even an attempt to explain where the universe came from, it simply describes an event at the beginning of this universe. Whether or not the Big Bang emerged from “nothing” and exactly what “nothing” is, is an interesting question. It is remarkable, however, that the some people are trying to promote their own theory of everything by pointing to what is currently unexplained by science have to go all the way to the origin of the universe.

  Just because we have not yet fully explained the origins of the universe, that does not mean that our current paradigms of physics and cosmology will not eventually provide at least a partial explanation. Lanza's space and time arguments are essentially the same.

  The experiment, detecting the presence of the photon as it passes through the slit, has absolutely nothing to do with consciousness. This is pseudoscience, and he is using his credentials to sell that pseudoscience to the public. Take a look again at his website. Biocentrism is not even science.

  Have the claims (eternal soul) been verified by another source?
  Have you ever talk with someone who is dead?
  Is that even possible?
  How does the claim (eternal soul) fit with what we know about how the world works?

  Do your personal beliefs and biases stir you to this conclusions, or vice versa?

  Ismael
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  MadGiant

  @Perry

  You only used one source to backup your claim.

  With all due respect I have a few questions.

  1. How reliable is the source?
  Isn’t the Bible full of contradictions and discrepancies? And doesn’t this prove that it is unreliable and untrue?

  The New Testament was filled with legends and myths about "Jesus Christ" that were written by his followers generations after "he lived", so how could any of the information be accurate?

  How do we know that the writers of the New Testament didn’t deliberately lie about their account of Jesus Christ: his "person", his "miracles", and his "resurrection?"

  2. Have the claims (eternal soul) been verified by another source?
  Have you ever talk with someone who is dead?
  Is that even possible?
  How does the claim (eternal soul) fit with what we know about how the world works?

  3. Do your personal beliefs and biases stir you to this conclusions, or vice versa?

  Respectfully,
  Ismael
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  MadGiant

  Coincidentally, your post #2631 and #2634 reminded me of that quote.

  Take care, Ismael