Quotes, it was your website that freed me. Not saying other info didnt but your exposure of the things the watchtower said without comments allowed me to read it without feeling it was apostate.
Thanks.
Hyghlandyr
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Joseph Frantz (Hyghlandyr) To be Disfellowshipped?
by Hyghlandyr inthey left a note.
he is the one that kept trying to get me to state i wanted to da myself.
to which evil elder kept trying to get me to da.
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Joseph Frantz (Hyghlandyr) To be Disfellowshipped?
by Hyghlandyr inthey left a note.
he is the one that kept trying to get me to state i wanted to da myself.
to which evil elder kept trying to get me to da.
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Hyghlandyr
Well first let me say hello to all. Thanks and congrats to the silent lambs Marchers. I wish I could have been there. Circumstances at the last minute prevented it. The pics demonstrated a great showing. Hats off.
Now I have been in cleveland for one week. Before I left Cincinnati, on the 19th the elders to my wife's congregation showed up. I was asleep in the attic so did not hear them knocking. They left a note. She gave me the note and the phone so I called. They wanted to come by. I said sure, stating again the same thing, that I am no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses. But that I was going out of town on the 20th (Friday) and that I was probably going to go to a march in NYC against the watchtower bible and tract society for their policy of covering up child rapists. (As stated I was unable to make it). But that they could come by on the 30th because I should be back by then.
Well they showed up the next day. I forget their names. One has that elder look about him. He is the one that kept trying to get me to state I wanted to DA myself. And he did this time as well. I gave him an example from the watchtower I read years ago..
A JW resigned from the catholic church. Sent them a letter. They sent him a letter back stating they would not accept it. Basically a once a catholic always a catholic statement by them. But that I knew, especially from this article, that the watchtower society was not like that. It was one of the things I appreciated about being a witness. I knew, that unlike other religions, I could just walk away if I wanted. And I was no longer a member. In the same standing as if I had never been a member.
To which he (evil elder) brought up about Dfing and what the bible says. To which I stated, yes I agree with that it is a very great thing. Of course both that and the watchtower says anyone who is called a *brother*, which of course I am not, since I am not a brother. To which he tried to respond some would think I was. To which I responded that no one thinks I am a witness.
I then quoted how the website had changed. That in the past it had said, anyone who had "ceased to be involved in the faith" which might mean if I went to a meeting I could get in trouble as that might be viewed as being involved in the faith. But now the site says anyone who has quit the faith. Well, I said, a catholic can quit the church, and become another religion and still go to mass. So too with witnesses, they can quit and still go to meetings, still sing, and so forth, and still not be members. So the website is even now more freeing.
Of course, I said, there are those who claim that the website is a lie. That you do in fact shun former members. Now if you want to break your own rules you can do so. I wont even view you as bad for doing so, because as far as I have seen Jehovahs Witnesses are like every other religion on the planet, no different, and religions lie, so I expect you also to lie.
To which evil elder kept trying to get me to DA. To which I said, the same thing, I am not a member thus I do not need to DA. I then told him that I was not going to play the game by their rules, but I would insist that they themselves follow their own rules.
I should state that all of these things came after me ranting for perhaps 30 minutes to an hour about how my sperm donor had raped my sister and it was covered up by two elders at her hall. And the policies of the WTBTS. I will also note that when I went downstairs I put on my silent lambs t-shirt, no molesters at my door.
Eventually I got out the bible and read Jer 8:8 to them. Then I read Deut 22:28,29. This is the place where the bible ....the torah...GOD.. COMMANDS that a rape victim MUST be sold to her rapist. I stated that the JW policy that a woman must be DFed for her rape, is in fact biblical, and that I reject the bible because of this. The nice elder tried to say he didnt have enough info and that we dont understand everything about god. I stated I had heard those excuses plenty of times. And the only reason I was reading that was to tell them that I reject the bible. Either man changed and added that or if in fact the God Yahweh/Jehovah commanded it then he is a foul deity of whom I want nothing to do with.
Then I told them how I had studied with the mormons. And the mormons said to pray to god and he would verify his existence. I told them I fibbed a bit to the mormons. That I prayed (which I did) and god did not answer. So I prayed to one of the Irish deities, Bridhe and she answered in my dream. Telling me yahweh was real. But he was an itty bitty desert ditty, whose only solution to every problem was to open up the earth and swallow people or rain fire down from heaven on them, or murder them by stoning. By contrast Bridhe says to me, an Irish Drui (yes drui not druid..druid is the plural) could go onto the battle field and say HUSH and the battle would stop. She then took me to a battle to demonstrate. Regretably I forgot to mention that after that she and I fought in a battle naked together then shagged like bunnies, which is ok cause with my teeth I look like a bunny.
I finally gave them the info on my former elders, and told them that so and so was the only elder I would trust, cause after all I didnt even know them. And the way those old elders could get in touch with me. I also told them they could df me if they wanted to break their rules but it would be interesting that for almost a year they have not contacted me, having concluded that I could not be dfed, and now mysteriously they were contacting me again. This just a few weeks after I gave the elders on Bowens Appeal Comittee Hearing my full name, info, former congregations, wifes congregation info, sperm donors info etc, asking them to please verify that he has no position in the congregation.
They left with nice elder saying he was just trying to help me so Jehovah wouldnt shun me. My response was that if Jehovah really did exist and IF they were right then he was already doing so, and good riddance. That if I were to become a christian again I would be Irish Catholic or Celtic Orthodox. But most likely I will just follow the religion of my ancestors because those dirty jews are noted liars, whereas my ancestors were noted as trustworthy. (And yes earlier I did give them the ole, jews ate their babies thing, its in their own scriptures and they also offered their children in sacrifice, burnt alive. To which they responded that those jews were disobedient to which I responded that no Irishman ever did such a thing). They then said that god revealed the lies of the jews, to which I said, yes in Jer 8:8 where he showed that they made up the Torah with their own lying pens. And that I would not follow the religion of those dirty jews over the religion of my ancestors. I said dirty jews a few times, just for the sake of a reaction. It didnt garner one. Oh well.
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Edited by - Hyghlandyr on 28 September 2002 1:12:58
Edited by - Hyghlandyr on 28 September 2002 1:14:10
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WHAT KEEPS YOU HERE?
by plmkrzy ineither surfing the net using key words jehovah" .
or someone we know told us about it.
i found this place after logging on to watchers of the watch tower.
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Hyghlandyr
The broads keep me here and keep me cummin back. JW broads are hotties. Thus Ex JW broads are hotties. Thus hygh cums here.
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What power would you want???
by LB inimagine you can have some form of super power.
just one.
what would it be??
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Hyghlandyr
I imagine few here have read the series Aces Wild. Fortunato totally kicks ass. So does The Great and Powerful Turtle. Sign me up.
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Silent Lambs Press Conference in Nashville TN
by worldly girl injust checking in to share the details of our local press conference!!
it turned out to be a handfull of us there, including: barbara and joe anderson, tatoomom, and myself.
all in all it went very well.... we didn't even have any dubs show up..... i guess they were on their mcdonald's break at the time!!
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Hyghlandyr
Well Jesb gets hyghyghugs and smooooooooooooshes (note that is smoooShes with an S vs smooooChes with a C. SmoooShes are reserved for extra special occasions)...
so smoooooooooooshes and hyghyghugs JESB,,,,muaaaaaaw
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Dubs showed up at Dallas press conference
by Jesika inok, well we had 7people total to support the silent lambs.
it was me,valis, my roommate, country girl, and 3others from oklahoma.. we had 2 reports show.
one was a talk radio station, and another was from a tv station---no camera though.. the reporter from channel 8 is wanting us to do a documentary type thing.
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Hyghlandyr
Jesika German and Puerto Rican are Irish. Just as African is Irish. So is Asian. French and Anglo arent Irish though. Well french might be. But definitely not Anglo. Ok well maybe anglo is also. In any case those who have supported this rock.
Lin thanks for the post of the flyer, it rocks.
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Dubs showed up at Dallas press conference
by Jesika inok, well we had 7people total to support the silent lambs.
it was me,valis, my roommate, country girl, and 3others from oklahoma.. we had 2 reports show.
one was a talk radio station, and another was from a tv station---no camera though.. the reporter from channel 8 is wanting us to do a documentary type thing.
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Hyghlandyr
Good Show Jesika. Splendid! You've got balls I gotta give ya that. I would wager you are Irish. In any case, can we all get a copy of that flier? I would be keenly interested in having it myself for when we move to cleveland especially. If the pics are digital can you post them?
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Do JWs eat fat?
by scooter inreading some of the recent posts on the blood issue reminded me of a verse that i have never yet had a jw explain.
lev 3:17 in the nwt reads " it is a statute to time indefinite for your generations, in all your dwelling places: you must not eat any fat or blood at all.".
jws use other verses to try and show that we mustn't eat blood as = having a blood transfusion.
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It doesnt take a genuis to see that "that creator" is a deadly nasty fella. Women and men are murdered merely for having sex. The JWism explanation is that God, in his loving, infinite, his ways higher than our ways wisdom, realized that adultery broke up families so he made it illegal. But I guess, picking up stones, and tossing them at a person over and over, by a crowd of people, hitting that person on the head, chest, arms, legs, breaking bones, causing hemoraging, concussion, and finally a terrible painful murderous death, doesnt break up families. The excuse, pitiful to say the least, by most christians that "we are no longer under the law" does not dismiss the murders of even one person who died under that wicked, demonic, satanic system of laws, in gods name. Thankfully there are christians alive today and back then, who believed that Jesus was preaching a different god, than the god of abraham and moses. A true god, a gentle loving god. And that is why time and again when they tried to obey that disgusting set of laws, he repudiated them. As for instance when he drew in the sand as the woman was brought to him with charges of adultery.
The statement that you are less intelligent doesnt cut it. JW policies are harming children, causing them to be raped and then further victimized by the system that claims to protect them. The bible is claimed to be a source of protection for women and children, when in fact it too further victimizes them. When it commands a virgin to be sold to her rapist, it gives no minimum age. Potentially and historically allowing men who raped young girls to own and thus further victimize these females their entire lives. The same issue applies be it blood, or fat or rape or the need to murder someone for working from friday at sunset to saturday at sunset, or the need to murder a boy yes a BOY who speaks back to his parents, cursing them, or to murder someone who doesnt worship that god or to murder someone who has sex. The list goes on and on. Biblical policies are deadly and dangerous. Your stating that this is "my opinion" does not change that fact. It does not change the fact that in the law supposedly god gave the death penalty, murder by stoning, for the most inocuous of "crimes". And certainly there was no religious freedom.
Every day now I get up and I read deut 22. I am brainwashing myself. The way christians brainwased me before. But instead of reading only the stuff that makes god seem nice and kind, I am reading the stuff that shows he is a sadistic villian. A little bit of analysing would cause a person to say wait a minute, this stuff that says god promotes the murder of a rape victim, or other such things detailed above and in the bible, is a lie. God would not do such things. Thus these things are added by men. Thus I dont have to say, that I am less intelligent than my creator and that I am clay. I can say that men lied about god maliciously. Those men who wrote these unholy scriptures.
Finally Paul can take a flying leap. We are not clay. No matter how much he wants to use that as a metaphor for us sitting down and shutting up and accepting whatever clap trap he decides to feed us as being from god. IF we are clay it is not to the potter (god) that we say why did you make me so. But rather to those that try to use a flower pot (us) for a urination pot. And if you wish to use that metaphor I dont. I am not clay I am a human being. I DO and will insist on questioning the potter. Any potter that deliberately makes me or any other person for a foul use, to be harmed, abused, raped, and then murderd for our "crime" of having "dared" to be victimized, needs his lic stripped from him.
Thankfully god isnt as the bible says she is. The bible writers are for the most part liars, and their lies are now exposed.
Back off? No. Read Duet 22. Dont give me excuses. Dont give me answers because I dont seek them. But in your own mind read it again and again and ask yourself, does your mother, daughter, sister, cousin, aunt, deserved to be murdered if she is raped, or sold to her rapist if she is a virgin? If SHE doesnt, then no woman does. Thus the person who penned that must be called into question. It wasnt god btw.
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Do JWs eat fat?
by scooter inreading some of the recent posts on the blood issue reminded me of a verse that i have never yet had a jw explain.
lev 3:17 in the nwt reads " it is a statute to time indefinite for your generations, in all your dwelling places: you must not eat any fat or blood at all.".
jws use other verses to try and show that we mustn't eat blood as = having a blood transfusion.
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DJ I have no clue WTF you just said.
Gods commands or gods commands taken to an extreme? Who cares, that gods commands are nasty. So JWism is nasty, what do you expect from a religion based on such a filthy book.
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"Flower" Power- to encourage you!
by Nikita inflower, this was a thread of yours i recalled so vividly.
i loved it!
i thought it might encourage you today.
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Hyghlandyr
I said what I meant and I meant what I said.