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  Islam's hatred and agenda against black people

  by Spartacus in

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  by: iqbal rahman.

  the color of one's skin has suddenly become relevant to religion.

  muslim activists have been trying to convince african american citizens that islam is the religion of the black man, that islam is african and that mohammed was black.

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  Hyghlandyr

  LDH

  As to it being an insult to be called black, well really it is taken as an insult by some. But then again if you called a Zulu warrior a Maori warrior, he would probably consider that an insult. For me the only insults worth noting, are if someone calls me an Anglo, or tells me I am like my father. But even though I note them, they are no more than mere amusements. The one is not true, and the other is probably true on some level.

  As to someone being from Africa being black, well there have been various tribes that live in, and perhaps are indigenious to Africa, but are not of the 'black races' as people are wont to categorize them. Myself, I define race far more intricately than mose people do today. I do not consider there only being four races, but literally thousands. As far as looks go, I appear similar to many anglos, particularly in america where we have a great deal of mixing. On the other hand I have a distinctly Irish look. The same with middle eastern peoples, they have a distinctly different look, than those of various African tribes. And many of those African tribes have distinct looks.

  We have turned this into a slashing back and forth of Ad Hominems. I do not doubt you have been to the middle east. I also do not doubt that the Lebanese people that I know, are nearly as light skinned as me. I do not doubt that the fella who wrote the article was not specifically trying to claim Muhammed was European, but I also do not doubt that many, including you, could garner that understanding from the way he wrote it. Perhaps a better choice of words is in order.

  Perhaps we can say this....Such and such is known about Muhammed based on such and such. But this, that, and the other is unknown because we are lacking this or that evidence. His appearance is unknown because, while art did exist at the time, in fact great works of art, no portraits were made of him, nor were any coins, statues, or other likenesses made. I think that has to do with Islamic law perhaps, though I am unsure. On the other hand perhaps Muhammed, Like Moses, and Jesus, is entirely non-historic, and simply an amalgamation of older mythos.

  In any case the question to the choice to convert to Islam for a black, or any other colored person, I think we all agree, should be based upon either the veracity of its claims, or the benefits to the one converting. For me, even the issues of polygamy, and the allowance of it, are not enough for me to convert, based upon the other, more weighty aspects of the religion.

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  Twenty things making Irish Women Superior

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  twenty things that make irish women superior, according to catydid, the third person of the trinity of my cult (thetruereb and myself being the other two persons of said trinity).

  this was taken from a chat in yahoo a few weeks ago.. 1... we are prettier.. 2... we have balls.. 3... we can cook like nobody else.. 4... we tolerate our [irish] men and their idiocy better than any woman.. 5... if i tried, me like most irish, can drink most of you non irish men under the table.. 6... we have pride in ourselves that few women have, being that most women are fucked in the head, because they try to be feminine.

  we are feminine naturally, so we dont need to work on our femininity, thus we can put our efforts into better things.. 7... we stand our ground.. 8... but at the same time accept anothers conflicting view.. 9... we dont take shit in the way most women do,meaning most women say 'i dont take shit' yet are manipulated.

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  Hyghlandyr

  Lying Eyes

  Caty is on Yahoo chat a lot. She is one of the co-founders of my cult with me and TheTrueReb (Robert). I might bring her here sometime if she is akin to coming. But we all like yahoo so much better because it has voice. We should start adding to this list.

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  Twenty things making Irish Women Superior

  by Hyghlandyr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  twenty things that make irish women superior, according to catydid, the third person of the trinity of my cult (thetruereb and myself being the other two persons of said trinity).

  this was taken from a chat in yahoo a few weeks ago.. 1... we are prettier.. 2... we have balls.. 3... we can cook like nobody else.. 4... we tolerate our [irish] men and their idiocy better than any woman.. 5... if i tried, me like most irish, can drink most of you non irish men under the table.. 6... we have pride in ourselves that few women have, being that most women are fucked in the head, because they try to be feminine.

  we are feminine naturally, so we dont need to work on our femininity, thus we can put our efforts into better things.. 7... we stand our ground.. 8... but at the same time accept anothers conflicting view.. 9... we dont take shit in the way most women do,meaning most women say 'i dont take shit' yet are manipulated.

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  Hyghlandyr

  Twenty things that make Irish Women Superior, according to Catydid, The Third Person of the Trinity of my Cult (TheTRueReb and Myself being the other two persons of said trinity). This was taken from a chat in Yahoo a few weeks ago.

  1... We are prettier.

  2... We have Balls.

  3... We can cook like nobody else.

  4... We tolerate our [irish] men and their idiocy better than any woman.

  5... If I tried, me like most Irish, can drink most of you non Irish men under the table.

  6... We have pride in ourselves that few women have, being that most women are fucked in the head, because they try to be feminine. We are feminine naturally, so we dont need to work on our femininity, thus we can put our efforts into better things.

  7... We stand our ground.

  8... But at the same time accept anothers conflicting view.

  9... We dont take shit in the way most women do,meaning most women say 'I dont take shit' yet are manipulated. We just simply refuse to be manipulated, we do as we wish.

  10... We have a sex drive that is not a vulgar drive, not skanky, just natural.

  11... We are more artistically enclined.

  12... Being called a bitch doesnt affect me. [Said because someone in the chat room had just called her a bitch]

  13... We will call you on your pretentious bullshit games.

  14... Not afraid of anything but losing face.

  15... We're happy goddamnit and fuck you all that prefer doom and gloom.

  16...The Stuff I was pming you about our adaptability as a race hygh. [We had a conversation the day before about the fact that many Irish are Bi-Polar, and intensely so. So much in fact that sometimes, oftimes, we experience multiple emotions all at once, anger, sadness, joy, and so forth. We can one moment be fighting in the streets and the next moment sharing a Guinness...We can one moment be arguing, the next tussling together in bed. Most people lose their cool over major things and have difficulty reacting. We lose our cool over the petty things, but when a disaster hits, we are able to calmly find a solution]

  17... We say Fuck God.We are chosen because we say so. Who else but the Irish can make something be so,just by brute force of strength of will. [In response to a Jewish woman's claim that the Jews, not the Irish are superior, because God made them superior. But the topic was not why Irish women are superior, but what things they are superior in]

  18... We are spritely creatures, given to whims and impulse, which makes us by far, more interesting and entertaining than any other.

  19... We put up with people far inferior to us, and take it in stride, unlike the germans who were snobs.

  20... We can name 20 more reasons if need be!

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  Islam's hatred and agenda against black people

  by Spartacus in

  1. jw
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  by: iqbal rahman.

  the color of one's skin has suddenly become relevant to religion.

  muslim activists have been trying to convince african american citizens that islam is the religion of the black man, that islam is african and that mohammed was black.

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  Hyghlandyr

  Actually I do like some things about Islam for blacks, including Farakan. At least black americans. Dont drink. Dont use drugs. Be a father for your children. Some muslim converts do abide these well. But it seems to me that people always abide the things in a religion that appeal to them and casually pass over the things that bother them. 'Today we drink, tomorrow Allah forgives.' But isnt it a beautiful thing how the Quran allows women to be stoned for adultery?

  My muslim associate was defending this to me. Well it has several steps he declares. First bring her parents to talk to her. If she does not obey, it says, then beat her. Finally if she does not obey, stone her. Hmm...ok. Try that with an american woman. What about those who are consenting? There is no consent, obey or die. But disobey if you can keep it hidden. And the penalties for men are different than those for women. But this is such a beautiful thing he declares. Hey I am into bondage fetishes and whipping women as well as the next guy, SO LONG AS IT IS CONSENSUAL. And I dont mean just consensual where she tolerates it, but I mean consensual where she would get off on it. As it is I have to whip myself cause my wife aint into that sorta thing Alas!

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  Islam's hatred and agenda against black people

  by Spartacus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  by: iqbal rahman.

  the color of one's skin has suddenly become relevant to religion.

  muslim activists have been trying to convince african american citizens that islam is the religion of the black man, that islam is african and that mohammed was black.

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  Hyghlandyr

  LDH

  White is only white in relation to whoever is observing it. ESPECIALLY since it is written from the view point of the eyewitness-- who may have WELL never seen a REAL white person.

  Precisely. That is what we have been saying all along. No one was indicating that we thought Muhammed was anything but Arab. Frankly he may have been a dark skinned Arab. But he was most certainly not African. If he was 'white' then from the view point of the eye witnesses, who never saw a 'real' white person and thus were not calling him 'european' but instead were thinking, that his skin, being far lighter than those around him, that he was white. (Again assuming he was fair skinned, which may or may not have been the case, but he was certainly not African)

  As to the claim that they may never have seen a european, well there was a lot more interaction with Europeans in that part of the world than moderns think. The very music of the Irish and Middle Easterners is derived from the same source. Irish records detail events taking place in the middle east as Irish Monks were trudging across the world to find converts. However if the claimants of the Quran had seen Europeans, the term to apply to their skin color might have been white, but not to their race. Race back then was far more expansive than it is now, meaning right down to your very tribe. Thus an Celt and a German would not have been called of the White Race, singular, but of the Gael, Briton, Manx, Gaulish, Galation race for the Celt (among hundreds of other Celtic races) or Tueton, Jute, Saxon, Anglo, or any of the other hundreds of Germanic races. Thus if a man were to declare Muhammed white back then, he was in no way declaring him to be of those races.

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  Islam's hatred and agenda against black people

  by Spartacus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  by: iqbal rahman.

  the color of one's skin has suddenly become relevant to religion.

  muslim activists have been trying to convince african american citizens that islam is the religion of the black man, that islam is african and that mohammed was black.

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  Hyghlandyr

  LDH

  Ok first, we arent using the race card to say why they should not be muslims. Rather we are stating that Muslims groups like Nation of Islam that claim that the original muslims were black (africans) are not stating the truth. They are using the race card to claim that blacks should be muslim. We are merely refuting their claim. In addition to refuting their claim, we are showing just how detrimental Islam has been to dark africans.

  As to you feeling Arabs are on the black side of the skin debate, I am sure there are more than a few that would take offense at that. Nor did I say the Quran is accurate. What I did state was that there are degrees of 'white' and degrees of 'black'. If a people is mostly very very dark, and there are some light skinned, almost pale skinned peoples dwelling among them, they would perhaps be thought of as white. Again we are not speaking of them being thought of as European, just lighter skinned.

  Also there was a lot of interaction and interbreeding in the centuries leading up the formation of Islam, between middle eastern peoples and africans and europeans. The Celts are a good example of this, having mixed with those in the Iberian Peninsula, and also various greeks to form both the Celt-Iberians and the Galatians. Thus, it is possible that Muhammed was a mix, and whether he was or not, he could have been more fair skinned than his counterparts. In any case there is hardly a dispute that he was not african, or from such tribes as Pigmies, Zulu, Bushman and other distinctly african tribes.

  As to the bible vs the Quran debate. I trust neither the bible nor the quran. However, this does not mean I reject everything in them. Using the wondering working aspects of a religous work as a reason for dismissing it, is a common mistake of non-believers. Many of the wonders are simply metaphors, story devices to teach a lesson. When we read the story of the Fox and the Grapes as children, we do not now dismiss the validity of that story because foxes do not leap into trees for grapes, and grapes don't actually grow on trees. So too with these things. The ancients claimed that they were metaphors, and even argued with Christians and some Jews, who literalized them.

  Now of course very few Muslims think of the things in the Quran as metaphors. In this they err as surely as a christian who thinks that the tale of Adam and Eve is first of all a tale of a fall rather than a tale of wisdom aquired (the snake being a very ancient symbol of wisdom), and secondly think it to be an actual event.

  While both are filled with metaphor, they also do name real kings, places, and events, using such things as well as metaphor. The difficulty is deriving that which is actual from that which is allegorical. Which difficulty matters little if you just accept the entirety of them both as symbols.

  Thus are many things in the Quran hog wash? Sure. (Literally that is) So too the bible. Does this mean that Muhammed was called white mean that he was white? No. Does it mean he was not white and because the Quran is untrustworthy that we must accept just the opposite of what it says? No.

  In any case it brings us back to the original arguement. The claim by Nation of Islam, and other Muslim groups, when they are dealing with blacks, that Muhammed was black, and that Islam originated with African tribes in an effort to convert blacks to their religion. This claim is historically false, has no basis in fact, and is simply another manipulation technique. If they wish to give other reasons for africans joining, then do so. If they wish to quote the numbers of Africans who are now muslim, do so. Or the effect Islam has had on converts from Africa, do so. But then if they did so, perhaps Africans, American blacks that is, would simply laugh and walke away, or worse, demand reparations from them.

  As to you having to disagree with this? Disagree with what? That white is a loaded term? That it has several conotations? That the Irish were not for centuries considered white by the rest of the Europeans? That white can apply to skin color and to race? Or that I have know Lebanese whose skin was nearly as pale as mine? (Or that I have known whites whose skin was very very dark?)
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  Islam's hatred and agenda against black people

  by Spartacus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  by: iqbal rahman.

  the color of one's skin has suddenly become relevant to religion.

  muslim activists have been trying to convince african american citizens that islam is the religion of the black man, that islam is african and that mohammed was black.

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  Hyghlandyr

  Spartacus

  Many good points. We had a thread going on reparations in the United States, and I brought up the current slavery problem in africa and other parts of the world. No comments were forthcoming. Then I started a thread on on modern day slavery. Six people resonded.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=26020&site=3

  There is the link. It seems to be that my esoteric posts, or my angry posts, get the most fuel on any board that I am on. But those posts where I am serious, about a major problem taking place somewhere in the world, right now, are often only scantly covered. That link has 191 reads, probably 40 of them from me checking to see if anyone else has posted further to it.

  The problem in the Sudan is only growing. Islam does not mean peace as many claim, but submission, total submission to god (Allah). I have a muslim/yogi fella that I work for on occasion. When 9-11 hit I was working at home. The next day I was at his house for some programming. A couple of his clients cancelled their policies with him, possibly because of the situation. He went on about American racism. Still he has made many sales, and is doing far better than most whites I know. I mean far better. Ok...he lost a couple sales....ooo. That is american racism. I suggested that we take me over to Iraq, or Afganistan, or an American women to Morocco and see how we are treated?

  I watched an episode of Road Rules, and an Asian girl in shorts was pelted with stones by the muslim men and boys. They were not daisy dukes. Immodest by their standards, fine. That warranted pelting her? I will take our current stand on issues of racism, over many countries any time. (Not saying it does not occur here, just that the degrees are not as intense as they once were or are currently in other places, particularly Muslim Nations)

  The fella I mentioned earlier I had to work for again to pay a couple of critical bills. He went on about how the suicide bombers are a beautiful thing. When I said I could care less if soldiers killed each other, they know they take that risk, but when little kids are getting killed that is my line of demarcation, my only and singular moral, and it is wrong, his response was that sometimes you have to kill kids and it is a beautiful thing. He prepaid me for the work I am doing, and this is the last time I prostitute myself.

  It really makes me sick. And the cries and howls about slavery are so empty. At least back then it was considered proper by society and law. Now every nation has made slavery illegal. All of them decry it. But it is practiced. Your friend is right. Can you imagine a fella like me, pale skinned as they come Irish, with a bondage fetish, going to Africa so I could buy myself a real true slave? It would be an international incident.

  No, Muhammed was not black.

  LDH

  The issue isnt his 'race'. None are denying that he is Arabian. The color of his skin may or may not have been white. I know Lebanese, with no european mixes, and they are nearly as white (pale) as I am. There are asians, and even those that are darker, certainly do not appear yellow to me. However a great many asians that I know are whiter than I am. White can mean a race as we have defined it in that sense. But it can also mean nothing more than a color. As a color it could simply be a very very light skinned Arabian, when compared to other Africans, Asians, or rabians.

  I am Irish. Had this debate in the reparations thread. Someone decided to call me white anglo saxon (they left out the protestant). Which I refuted, being Irish I am pale skinned, but not anglo by any means. As to being white, if it is considered a race, at least by anglos and other europeans, well the Irish often were denied that classification. Only their skin was considered white not their race.

  So white is a loaded term.

  1...Color

  a...Pale skin or

  b...Lighter skin, perhaps very light.

  2...Race

  a...Europeans in general including Irish

  b...Superior Europeans not including Irish

  All Spartacus means is that the founder of islam is in no way black. Nothing more. And that the racial group he is from, is in fact terrorizing, murdering, pillaging, and enslaving Blacks in Africa to this day.

  (There are some interesting things if you examine history about the effects of both Christianity and Islam in Africa. Especially regarding women, who were originally the power structure in Africa, landed, holding property of their own, responsible for and supporting their families...which changed with Christian and Islam degradations to the female)

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  Does This Make Me A Racist?

  by Englishman in

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  todays newspapers are full of the le pen story.

  much concern is being voiced that right-wing organisations will ride on this story to make their own agendas more widely known, ie, send all the immigrants back home, britain for the british, sod off everyone else!.

  now i personally love different cultures.

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  Hyghlandyr

  Englishman dude, didnt you have a thread about some wheelchair dude complainin that you wouldnt give up your seat? First that, now race, yir justa skirtin da edge aintcha bro?

  We call it Poh Lit ick lee incorrect here in the states. Careful, shhhhh, hussh.... Dont say that this or that group does this or that. Now if you are a member of those groups you can talk about your 'culture' and that you are different. But if anyone from the dominant group say so, well thats just racism. We've had a few interesting threads goin lately about these topics.

  Since I've made my views very clear, I will just comment on a couple of issues yall over looked.

  1...Puffsrule you live in Columbus? WTF? I had no clue. I'm in Cinci, and yall have the Dublin Irish festival comin up pretty soon. But dont think this means anything, you live too close for me to hit on. Now if you lived in california...hooooooooo doggie!

  2...Is it me or is yrs2long like a TOTAL damned hottie? Now that pic might be some movie thing or something but who cares.

  Ok I think that covers the important issues that yall overlooked so far.

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  What is your Totem Animal?

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  a lot of you might think this is a question strictly for the pagans out there, but christians have had totem animals as well.

  merriam-websters defines a totem as:main entry: totem .

  pronunciation: 'to-t&m.

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  LyinEyes

  You brought out some excellent points about snakes. In other cultures they mean different things. If I were beck I would be interested in knowing what her heritage or native australians think of snakes, what is the symbolism there. Since that is where she is at it could have a bearing. Hindus think of snakes as very majestic, the represent good not evil. I think the original genesis story means just that. In fact with the Gnostics, and it is a bit convoluted, they felt that God was actually evil, and satan was trying to free us. Jesus then came down to tell us the truth that god had lied about. I dont have all the details here and I will get them for another post, but again the idea is that the original eden story, the snake wasnt supposed to be evil, but represented wisdom and knowledge.

  Teejay

  Sometimes it is play acting. Like when I am wrestling with my dog, and I shift into the form of a dog, barking and growling on all fours at him. Or when I am in a car, barking as we are stopped at a light watching people look around for the wounded dog, it's great..hehe

  It is a mental exercise, and usually does not occur in any physical sense. However, I have shifted in dreams. Now I know when I am dreaming, so I know the shift is a fantasy. But, it feels real. The best I can use to explain it, is if you have ever had 'that dream where you are flying'. Now you have most likely never flown like superman before, but whe you dream that dream, you know what it is like, and you wake with the memory of the flight and it feels good. The same thing when I shift, I feel the fur and the claws and paws and teeth and ears and nose and so on. I hear the animals in their language and speak it and understand it. The memories, while complete fantasy, are as real as any other memories. I just accept them that way.

  Beck

  I'm not suggesting you try it quite yet, just keep that in the back of your mind. When you are lucid and able to control your other dreams, then that will be a time to step into controlling that one..or letting it flow knowing that if it goes someplace you dont like you can always take control of it.

  I have not read the Cave of the Clan Bear series but I have a couple of them. I have glanced through them. It is true that she does a lot of research into her stuff, and is well commended always for it. I am interested in reading that series eventually, reading had been a chore for me the past few years. Maybe as a result of my watchtower tedium. I used to read at least a novel a day. I could read and remember incredibly fast. Now I dont have much desire to read because I cannot maintain that speed. I will be getting a photoreading course which should help. If it does what they say, I will defintely read through her stuff pretty quick.

  A lot of my knowledge is just instinctual. Racial memories as I said (which she touches on in those books, I forget the term she uses). Then when i do read up on the topic at hand, find out that I am practicing fairly close to the way ancients did, but a bit more rudely and brashly.

  Plum

  What can I say? Thanks for sharing that experience and with all of the symbolism, that should answer some of Teejay's questons. Mundane things, through symbolism, simply take on an almost ethereal significance...

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete
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  What is your Totem Animal?

  by Hyghlandyr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a lot of you might think this is a question strictly for the pagans out there, but christians have had totem animals as well.

  merriam-websters defines a totem as:main entry: totem .

  pronunciation: 'to-t&m.

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  Hyghlandyr

  Beck

  You have some really intense dreams. I do also. Almost all of my dreams are lucid, which means I know that I am dreaming. I can control them if I wish, and often I simply go with the flow, see where they take me. We had a thread which covered nightmares a bit. We did not get into very much detail. I introduced the idea of Lucid Dreaming to the group there...perhaps others have in the past. Read my experience there, and we can discuss lucid dreaming more. I will create a seperate post for it in a few days. Usually I meditate about my posts especially of this nature, and I want to be sure that my words are well said. You can email me your dreams any time you wish.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25728&site=3

  I will be going away for two weeks on the thirtieth. I will be writing a lot during that time. When I return I will post a few things to a website and a lot of information will be there. About lucid dreams, shape-shifting, and so on.

  As to your dreams, mine I confronted head on. By challenging the thing that was attacking me. You are doing the same it seems, killing the snake. Resisting it. However, have you ever thought of not resisting? The reason I say this is, despite your defeating the snake, your fear is still there. When you read that link you will see that I too have felt physical responses to dreamed actions. Especially with your dream being about an animal antagonist...it could be trying to teach you something. I have known people who resisted, when in reality the animal in the dream was trying merely to merge with them, or was a familiar unawares to the person. I am not suggestion you dont resist right at this moment. But, think about it for the future. Just contemplate it.

  I will talk to you again soon...

  Let's see, three wives, seven concubines, nine slave girls, and twenty-seven black nazi female body guards. I've only got forty-five women to go and my cult is complete