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Watchtower Sends Legal Notice To Website Regarding Coyright Infringement

by Bangalore in

the watchtower has sent a legal notice to the owners of the eds blog for posting copyrighted material without permission.

here is the link to the trancript.

the site owners response is also there.. .

Bangalore

I think Pete Mossier was sued for $100000 (Canadian). But he could not afford high priced lawyers so he had no choice but to shut down his quotes site.

Bangalore

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Governing Body: Why Do You Want The Disloyal?

by metatron in

jw
friends

i address this question to the governing body, to their internet monitors or to any apologist who might want to speak for them.. why do you want disloyal people in your "clean" organization?.

it should be evident by now that an untold number of people in the organization do not really want to be jehovah's witnesses any longer.

specifically, they don't want to attend meetings, or to donate money to the worldwide work, or spend real time going door to door.

Bangalore

Is ifytrust's first post invisible?

Bangalore

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Watchtower Sends Legal Notice To Website Regarding Coyright Infringement

by Bangalore in

the watchtower has sent a legal notice to the owners of the eds blog for posting copyrighted material without permission.

here is the link to the trancript.

the site owners response is also there.. .

Bangalore

The Watchtower has sent a legal notice to the owners of the EDS blog for posting copyrighted material without permission. Here is the link to the trancript. The site owners response is also there.

http://examiningthescripturesdaily.blogspot.com/

Bangalore

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"End of All Kingdoms in 1914!" 8-30-1914 World Magazine PDF!

by cabasilas in

over the past 50 odd years, an article that was published in a new york city newspaper in 1914 has been quoted several times in watchtower publications.

this article was published in the august 30, 1914 world about pastor c.t.

russell's predictions for 1914. modern watchtower publications omit the facts from that article that show that russell's predictions for 1914 do not match the watchtower society's current understanding of 1914 as a "marked year.

Bangalore

Thanks Cabasilas.

Bangalore

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A Jehovahs Witness With A New Technique For Proselytizing: Coffin Chasing

by Bangalore in

a jehovah's witness with a new technique for proselytizing: "coffin chasing".. .

http://espottickler.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/a-jehovahs-witness-with-a-new-technique-for-proselytizing/.

if you've ever been in an accident, you have experienced your sudden rise in popularity.

Bangalore

A Jehovah's Witness With a New Technique For Proselytizing: "Coffin Chasing".

http://espottickler.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/a-jehovahs-witness-with-a-new-technique-for-proselytizing/

If you've ever been in an accident, you have experienced your sudden rise in popularity. Letters pour into your mailbox from Attorneys offering their services for your lawsuit (the one you had no intention of making). Worse yet, they use all manner of persuasion to get you to call them. Some Attorneys will call you at home, usually at the most inconvenient times, to solicit your business. This might explain the apt nickname such Attorneys have garnered, "ambulance chasers."

I don't have a name for the level of abuse to which some Insurance companies will resort to. Several years ago, my husband was hit by an uninsured driver who initially lied to the police (who arrived at the scene of the accident) by showing an insurance card for insurance she no longer had. The police determined, and all witnesses on the scene concurred in their statements, that the driver who hit my husband was at fault.

Shortly after returning home from surgery, because of an injury sustained in the accident, our insurance company called to tell us the other driver was at fault but uninsured, and our uninsured driver policy would kick in to cover all costs related to the accident. However, a couple of days later, my husband (groggy from the pain medication he had to take) received a call from our insurance company's Claims Adjuster. I got on the other phone to listen, when my husband's responses made it clear that he was being harassed. The Adjuster was trying to force my husband to say the accident was his fault. I intervened and said the police report and all witnesses said otherwise. The Adjuster told me, forcefully and insultingly, that the police report was not admissible in a court of law. He also said that he had spoken with all the witnesses and they recanted their original statements and now say the accident was my husband's fault. I said that if he was as nasty and as aggressive in pressuring them, as he was to my husband, I'm sure they did. Then I informed him that he left us no alternative but to hire an "ambulance chaser" (not the title I used in my conversation with him). We did, and had to sue our own insurance company.

Neither my husband or I have ever sued anyone before, despite having had just cause to do so. We don't like the idea of suing, and prefer other means to attempting justice. If I had been the one in the accident, I probably still would not have sued. However, when someone I care about is treated unjustly, or abused in any way, I turn into a roaring mother bear protecting her own.

As distasteful as the entire affair was to us, I understand the competition for business that Attorneys face, which inspires aggressive (if in poor taste) advertising methods. I almost understand the desire of insurance companies to do what ever it takes, however unethical and immoral, to pay less money out in claims. What I received in the mail recently, however, I consider not only unethical and immoral, it is appalling in its poor taste and insensitivity.

A few weeks ago my brother-in-law died. We received several cards, calls, and notes of sympathy and condolences from other family, friends, and acquaintances. These helped us to feel cared about, even when some clearly mentioned ideology, beliefs, and religious persuasions that differ from our own. There was no attempt, in these, to proselytize us. People who know and care about us simply poured out their love and support in whatever ways they were able, and we were grateful.

Two days ago, I received a letter that has put the afore mentioned Attorneys, and perhaps even our insurance company, to shame and taken "ambulance chasing" to heights before unknown. I call it "coffin chasing."

It arrived in a hand addressed envelope, written by someone in our town (who used a Post Office box address, and whose name - first initial and last name - I shall not mention). Neither of us know this person. Inside the envelope was a rather prettily designed sheet of stationary and a pamphlet from the Jehovah's Witnesses. The letter is computer generated and in a handwriting type of font. It begins without any salutation to us, nor is our name mentioned anywhere in the letter. At the bottom of the letter, in smaller block print, is the following: "For Additional Information: www.watchtower.org."

The letter begins: "I'm writing to express sympathy to you on your loss as reported in the newspaper." It doesn't mention the name of our "loss," or his relationship to us. It then continues with three paragraphs outlining the writers beliefs, in a clear effort to proselytize us to convert to his or (most likely, judging from the floral stationary) her religion. It reads like, and looks like, a "form letter," the kind most often received from businesses regarding far less sensitive issues.

Sensitive being the key word, I found the letter writer to be highly insensitive, insulting, intolerant of others religious beliefs, and clearly lacking in the social skills necessary to function well in a community of diversity.

I am most incensed by the writer taking advantage of our grief, to push her or his religion on us at a time when we are vulnerable emotionally. Clearly, we are not the first to be subjected to such egregious tactics. I worry how this may affect others, who are perhaps less discriminating and more vulnerable - for example, the elderly.

On my front door is posted a sign, "NO SOLICITATIONS." It is designed to keep door-to-door sales persons of all types (commercial and religious) from disturbing me in my haven of peace, which also happens to be my job site (I work from home as a freelance writer and communications consultant). Do I now need to post one on my mailbox?

I hope the writer of the letter is just one person among the Jehovah's Witnesses who is acting so unethically and immorally. Somehow I doubt it. The letter smacks of company endorsed advertising and marketing tactics. Having heard their schpiel before, since Jehovah's Witnesses must earn their salvation through proselytizing every last "heathen" on earth, I want to scream: "Enough already! I am beyond your salvation. You did your best, now go to Hell and leave me alone!" And I would scream it, if they believed in Hell.

I assume all 144,000 slots in Heaven for Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) have by now been spoken for by those JWs audacious enough to self-proclaim themselves by the act of taking their once yearly communion. (Only JWs certain of their Heavenly calling as one of the 144,000 are allowed to take their communion.) The rest of the JWs, in good standing as such, will be relegated to living on earth in the JWs version of "paradise." This is, of course, after the Earth is purged of "heathens" in what JWs call "Armageddon." One wonders how much Earth could possibly be left for paradise after being deluged by fire and brimstone. JWs have been proclaiming Armageddon as imminent since their beginning as a religion. In fact, JWs have been setting (and resetting, when the targeted date passes without incidence) the date for their Armageddon as regularly as some people go to the bathroom, thanks to fiber and that new yogurt.

Personally, I couldn't live with that much drama. I have known of JWs so devout they quit their jobs and divested themselves of everything they owned in preparation for the upcoming date of Armageddon. I wonder what they did when the date refused to produce the expected result. No doubt they filed for the "heathen's" welfare benefits, until they could rebuild what they gave away.

I have read accounts of JWs who were proud of their assignments as Cappos in concentration camps, because they were chosen for their "honesty and good character" - which they equated with being a JW - (meaning they did whatever the Nazis told them to do, and didn't try to escape). I rather doubt the Jews they policed thought so highly of them (I know at least some of them didn't). Apparently, neither did the Nazis, since the JWs proudly proclaim that some of their own were also incinerated.

I am also familiar with the technique of taking scriptures out of context to "prove" beliefs held, and of ignoring the interpretations and meanings of those in whose language that scripture was written, and whose religious tradition wrote it.

So you see, I am well versed in their story and have no desire to hear it again, especially from strangers posing as caring friends.

Bangalore

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Oxford Bible Atlas In PDF

by Bangalore in

oxford bible atlas in pdf.. .

http://rapidshare.com/files/96579748/oxford_bible_atlas.rar.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=03ofdhqd.

Bangalore

Oxford Bible Atlas In PDF.

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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=03OFDHQD

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The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary, Revised Edition In PDF

by Bangalore in

the harpercollins bible dictionary, revised edition in pdf.. .

http://rapidshare.com/files/217626781/achtemeier-thcbd.rar.

http://depositfiles.com/files/krr3qbodz.

Bangalore

The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary, Revised Edition In PDF.

http://rapidshare.com/files/217626781/Achtemeier-thcbd.rar

http://depositfiles.com/files/krr3qbodz

Bangalore

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Double Standards

by Bangalore in

a book report for jehovah's witnesses.

chapter six.

double standards.

Bangalore

A BOOK REPORT FOR JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

CHAPTER SIX
DOUBLE STANDARDS

http://web.archive.org/web/20041118012027/http://home.thirdage.com/Religion/donaldkerns/cocchapter6.html

For decades, the Society refused to allow JWs who were facing compulsory military service to perform whatever "alternative service" their consciences might allow, and the consequence was that THOUSANDS spent many YEARS in prison undergoing terrible treatment under terrible conditions.

For more than 11 years during the 1960s and 1970s, JWs in Malawi suffered the most hideous persecutions possible, because the Society refused to allow them to purchase a "party card". The Society gave no weight to the fact that Malawi only had one political party, which was totally controlled by the ruling dictator, thus making that "political party" something quite different from competing political parties in more complex, democratic countries.

In 1978, Ray discovered that despite the Society's refusal to allow JWs to exercise their own consciences in the situations described above, the Society had given permission for JWs to do so in several countries where it was possible for them to pay BRIBES to get out of performing military service. In addition to the sad fact that the Society was condoning the bribing and corrupting of government officials, they were turning their heads to the fact that paperwork would necessarily have to be completed which would in some fashion or other "officially" connect the "bribing JW" to the military.

(We will not allow you to legally buy a "party card" in Africa, but we will allow you to illegally buy a "military card" in Latin America. We will not allow you to discharge required military service by working in a hospital, but we will allow you to discharge required military service by illegally bribing a public official.)

The situation in Mexico was even more outrageous. There, the Society knowingly was allowing JWs to either illegally ignore required military registration, or they were allowing JWs (the majority) to legally register as inductees into the military reserves, which was evidenced by a "military card" carried by the JW. The JWs who registered as inductees (these included almost all Branch and "traveling" personnel) would then BRIBE officials to complete the paperwork which indicated that they were attending weekly military training. Upon "supposed" completion of one year's training, the JWs "officially" became members of Mexico's military reserve, and they carried a "card" stating such.

Ray commends some of the Mexican JWs, because the favorable, but unequal, treatment shown them by the Society bothered their consciences. Why did such actions not bother the consciences of those at Brooklyn? One big reason was because this was just one more of many other "Society irregularities" in Mexico. Most JWs are aware that the Society fought numerous courtcases [Pre-1945 list: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19] in the U.S. in the 1930s and 1940s to strike down governmental laws, rules, and regulations which prevented American JWs, and their children, from worshiping God the way they pleased. Many American JWs suffered persecution and prison during that time. However, during that same period, the Society chose to COMPROMISE in Mexico; not even due to intense persecution, but simply due to "possible" FINANCIAL considerations.

In the 1940s, Mexican law did not allow religious organizations to hold title to real property. Thousands of church properties, worth billions of pesos, were "technically" owned by the government, although religious organizations possessed and used such just as if they did hold legal title. Mexican law also did not allow missionaries from foreign countries. Neither of these situations would have been major obstacles to the Society's work in Mexico. However, in 1943, the Society "legally" registered with the government as a "cultural" organization, rather than as a "religious" organization.

Until 1989, Mexican JWs were forced by the Society to maintain this farce. They were a "cultural" group, not religious group. They were members of a "company", not a congregation. They "performed the symbol", rather than getting baptized. They attended "cultural" meetings, and held "cultural" studies. The Society told them not to carry Bibles when they went out in "cultural" activity. The Society would not let them sing songs or even PRAY at meetings nor assemblies.

None of this ridiculous mess was because Mexican law prohibited JWs to worship as they pleased. No, it was because the Society did not want the government to hold legal title to what few pesos worth of buildings they "might" acquire. Did Knorr actually think that if the Mexican government ever decided to confiscate possession of religious property, that the Watchtower's farcical "cultural" registration would stop the government from taking theirs? (Doesn't it seem suspcious that the Mexican authorities would allow this obvious farce to go on for over 42 years? Ray doesn't comment, but it seems likely that the military were not the only ones to receive JW bribes.)

The report on this chapter cannot be completed without noting that Ray passed up an excellent opportunity to state for the record the truth concerning the resignation of Governing Body Member Ewart Chitty. Ray simply notes that Chitty had resigned at the GB's request, sometime in 1979. Most people knowledgable about JWs (other than most JWs themselves) are aware that Chitty was quietly forced to resign due to some sort of homosexual allegation. Ray's reservation to comment is just one of many examples that COC does not go to "any length" to speak negatively about the Society.

[As a sidenote, about 3 years after Ray was "railroaded" by this "holy council", another Governing Body member named Leo Greenlees was quietly forced to resign, also due to charges of sexual misconduct, allegedly child molestation. This 1975 GB photo shows Chitty sitting at the far left, next to Fred Franz. Ray stands behind Fred. Greenlees stands at far right.]

Bangalore