I was gonna answer, but Sir82 nailed it!
winstonchurchill
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Any Experience with Two Judicial Committees?
by dig692 inhi everyone, just wondering if anyone that is or was df'd before has any experience with moving to a new congregation and having to meet with their old jc and a new jc at their new hall?.
a friend of mine who is df has been trying to get back in to reconnect with her family and is having a really hard time with the reinstatement process.
she has been attending meetings at the new congregation for about a year now and has asked the new jc to meet to discuss her reinstatement.
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What Was YOUR Worst Quality As A JW?
by minimus infor me it had to be that i was trained to be judgmental.
i'm naturally a person who doesn't believe everything someone says---just because they say it's true.
still, a "good elder" is supposed to be watchful of what might "contaminate" the congregation.. so, it's time to bare your soul.
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winstonchurchill
From the JW point of view: Some say I'm from the liberal wing. I question too much, and as an elder I don't excercise my 'power' as (they think) I should.
From a non-JW perspective: the quality I fight the most is the "moral-superiority" attitude. Right now I have it down on it's knees; I believe that by the time I manage to erradicate every judgemental trait in my personality, I'll stop being a JW.
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Remember When They Used to Have Q&A After the Public Talk?
by daniel-p inyeah, that was before my time.
but i'm interested to hear from those who were around back in the day when they did this.
what were the questions like?
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winstonchurchill
My dad (not a JW) who was a College Professor for decades, always said the Q&A method of study was the worst, most uneffective and fallacy-prone.
Years and years later I realized: They don't write 'answers' to 'Questions'; they write an article expressing a bunch of ideas, then add questions that fit those ideas, and Bingo! You think you are finding answers to your questions. It's genius! they don't answer, they don't teach you.. THEY INDUCE YOU TO ACCEPT what they wrote.
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Why did you pick your avator or username?
by cognac inwell, i picked my username because that's what i saw in front of me and i like the way it sounded.
no real story behind that.
i picked my avator because that's the way i felt.
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winstonchurchill
I simply admire that man: WC would move ahead nomatter what. He kew when to be hard, when to be soft; always was strong. And he didn't take crap from no one.
Avatar? I tried to put one, but I can't!
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Remember When They Used to Have Q&A After the Public Talk?
by daniel-p inyeah, that was before my time.
but i'm interested to hear from those who were around back in the day when they did this.
what were the questions like?
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winstonchurchill
In our BookStudy Group we had a brother who would raise his hand and ask questions, very politely and sincerely, if he didn't understand something. This happended quite often and I'd just smile and say "Well, that's an interesting question, let's see who can answer"; sometimes a sister would answer. This would irk some (I was allowing a woman to teach!!!!). Sometimes I'd answer myself, sometimes we'd engage in discussing the point. It made the consideration lively and more than a couple of times I would stand corrected by his comments/questions (And I never had a problem admitting I was wrong, or I didn't know the answer).
In general, the rest of the group enjoyed it. But, as I said, some critized me for this; even some fellow elders who got to know about this 'counseled' me, and a CO even told me that I should know better than letting a brother in the audience 'direct' the consideration. Now that the BS is gone I get to conduct only every once in a while and at hall it's just not the same.
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Remember When They Used to Have Q&A After the Public Talk?
by daniel-p inyeah, that was before my time.
but i'm interested to hear from those who were around back in the day when they did this.
what were the questions like?
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winstonchurchill
I've been in for almost 40 years and never heard of the audience being allowed to ask questions.
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COs receiving new assignments
by Mickey mouse inif there is a change in the works to the co arrangement, it's not happening this year..
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winstonchurchill
Yeah, is great to see our current CO go away... a real moron, unsensitive and manipulative. Bad thing is they're sending another one who probably will be more of the same or worse.
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District Convention Friday pm talk - “Answers to Questions About the Last Days”
by yadda yadda 2 indoes anyone have a report on the content of this talk please?
any "new light"?.
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winstonchurchill
How much free reign are the speakers given at a DC?
Almost none. Funy thing is less and less talks are manuscripts; and even those are assigned to highly ranked people (i.e. Bethel speakers and Traveling O's).
But outlines are increasingly dense and short. 10 years ago a DA would have some 40 talks. This year over 60. and when you see the outline for a typical 10 minutes part, it's so full that you can almost read it verbatim and make the 10 minutes. So no room for adding anything. On top of that, Assembly President (typically a CO), stricly enforces rules against adding, changing, switching the order of ideas, etc.
A few days ago, I compared, side by side a talk I gave 4 years ago with the outline I was assigned this year. The first one was for a 29 minutes talk -no demo, no interviews- and it was page 1 and three lines on page 2. This year's is for a 9 minute talk -no demo, no interviews- and it's a page and half long.
Bottom line: absolute control!
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why do elders ask such personal questions when deciding whether to disfellowship
by looloo ina friend of mine was asked if she had become "moist" along with had penetration actually taken place , why is that necassary to ask along with did you fondle breasts etc surley they could keep it short and ask if the "deed " was done , yes or no ?
why all the other questions ?
she was only 19 with no experiance of life and sex and was so embaressed she could not answer and was disfellowshipped for being "cocky" any ideas ?.
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winstonchurchill
In a world where x% of people don't think of oral as "sexual relations", some questions must be asked.
However, while the manual says you have to ask questions to determine exactly what happened, it also warns against asking too intimate, unecessary questions (e.g. "Did you have an orgasm?").
When presiding JC's I simply invite the person to briefly and not too explicitly describe what happened. That gives them the choice to pick up words they feel less uncomfortable with. Sometimes you have to fine-tune with questions, but simple questions. Asking if the girl was moist, if 'it' was too hard, did it hurt, did you enjoy... those questions are totally out of line. If there's a theme people have a vast library of euphemisms for is sex. So i don't see the point of asking too much. Last comitee I attended (like a year ago) we had an argument afterwards because I stopped on his tracks an elder that was asking too much.
But to me it mainly boils dow to this: Curiosity and (sick) excitement. Don't forget that some find power 'aphrodisiac'
OTWO Nailed it.
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Anderson of the Brazil
by Anderson of the Brasil ingood morning to everybody!
is a pleasure to participate in the forum.
my name is anderson, i have 43 years and i live in rio de janeiro, brazil.
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winstonchurchill
BEM VINDO!