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  Advice in dealing with family

  by dbm in

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  i am new to this forum & looking for some suggestions from anyone in similar situation.

  my husband has been df'd for little over a year & i have also stopped attending in the last 6 months.

  the problem is my entire family including parents, grandparents, brother, sister-in-law, aunts, uncles, etc., are all still in.

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  VIII

  My sister had to deal with this and my Mom was highly offended that she (our Mom) would not be allowed to take grandson to meetings. She and my sister butted heads over this and it actually caused a huge rift.

  So, you will need to decide how much and how strong in the Truth your parents are and how strongly they feel it is for your son to receive Jehovah's food. They will feel it is critical for him to receive Jehovahs food and will tell your son you are nutz, crazy, wrong etc., for not allowing him to go to meetings and out in Field Service. They will also tell your son not to tell you they took him. My mom tried with with my nephew and like I said, it created a 25 year rift.

  This is something to really think about. I would simply not let your son stay over. I would try to visit and have them visit. If they will. With your husband DFd, they may not and will feel even more need to snag your son.

  You have my full sympathy. Good luck.
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  The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

  by minimus in

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  we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

  now, we don't accept this.

  so what hope do you have?

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  Restrangled, thank you! I am really sorry you lost so many relatives so young. I have not lost any relatives at a young age. None died young. All were in their 70-90's.

  I understand that concept. If my husband died *now*, I would be devestated. We are way too young and have so much we still want to do together. We just started something new and are really excited about it.

  But, that is not to say I want to see him in Paradise. I have totally given up on that concept and I have totally discounted heaven/hell. He has not. He is a Roman Catholic and ardently wishes I would convert. I simply can't at this point and probably never will.

  So, discounting The New System, how does one deal with the concept of not seeing people you previously thought you would? Like in Paradise?
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  Dead Relatives and the Resurrection. Why the need to See Dead People?

  by VIII in

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  minimus started a thread asking why the resurrection was comforting.

  i said i would start a new thread to get more responses to *my question*:.

  why do so many people want to see dead relatives?

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  That's my point Outlaw! I don't want to spend forever with some of them; that would be hell, not paradise.

  But, not being God, and not knowing what's in *His* heart (cough), I am going to work off the theory that none of them are coming back. And I'm happy with that. Relieved in fact.
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  Dead Relatives and the Resurrection. Why the need to See Dead People?

  by VIII in

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  minimus started a thread asking why the resurrection was comforting.

  i said i would start a new thread to get more responses to *my question*:.

  why do so many people want to see dead relatives?

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  No one wants to see them dead. They want to see them alive and full of vitality!

  Aren't they supposed to come back (resurrected) like they were? Meaning old, etc. And then, over time, get young and healthy again? So they turn perfect like everyone else? (I'm going off memory here, it's been years since I was in a KH and had to think about this stuff, sorry)

  So you can recognize them? How would you recognize Aunt Betsy if she looked like it was 1950 and she died in 2005 and was 75 lbs overweight?
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  Dead Relatives and the Resurrection. Why the need to See Dead People?

  by VIII in

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  minimus started a thread asking why the resurrection was comforting.

  i said i would start a new thread to get more responses to *my question*:.

  why do so many people want to see dead relatives?

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  From what I recall learning (long time ago) and what my Mom has said, everyone before about 1900 will get resurrected because they never heard Jehovah's word. (gag on that).

  She selectively picks from her friends and family who she believes will get brought back. Of course. I have pointed out, using her logic, who I think will, and she is horrified that *that person* might be. Though she has to acknowledge that it is possible and resorts to "I don't know what's in Jehovah's heart."

  Huh? Jehovah has to think about this? This isn't tattoo'd on your forehead at death for the angels to go around and tap your shoulder?

  Sylvia said:

  Haven't we learned that it's not about us?

  The Almighty is in charge.

  Which brings me back to believing in the Resurrection to begin with. You have to believe that Paradise is/was actually going to happen on earth and that God is actually going to bring back billions of people. People that did all kinds of *stuff*, good and bad, simply because they didn't know about *the truth* before. (Isn't that what the JWs preach?)

  So, along that line, and with Minimus' question, how can you believe in the Resurrection and not Paradise, etc? If you do, why? Why is that/ was that such a happy thought? Why was seeing those old, dead relatives so attractive? (not too many of us had young, productive members of our families die, note "not too many")
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  Dead Relatives and the Resurrection. Why the need to See Dead People?

  by VIII in

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  minimus started a thread asking why the resurrection was comforting.

  i said i would start a new thread to get more responses to *my question*:.

  why do so many people want to see dead relatives?

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  Minimus started a thread asking why the Resurrection was comforting. I said I would start a new thread to get more responses to *My Question*:

  Why do so many people want to see dead relatives? I'm curious.

  Seriously. Why is seeing someone who was old, ill, etc., so all consuming to JWs and, apparently, some Ex-JWs?

  As I noted in my response on Minimus thread, I honestly don't want to see *any* of my dead relatives. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. I have accepted that they are D-E-A-D and aren't coming back. I am not going to heaven and I am not ever going to see them again. For that, I am happy.

  So, why is this such an all consuming issue with this Cult? Why is thinking that you'll hug Grumpy, Smelly Grampy so appealing?

  Also, when I have mentioned to my Mom that I would guess that Uncle P is probably not going to get Resurrected because he knew all about the JWs and his attitude was "The Witnesses are a bunch of F-ing idiots. They destroyed our family." He would go on and on about them. He hated them.

  Her response? "Only Jehovah knows what's in his heart". Ummm, yeah. He was a creep in many other ways, I won't go into, and never bathed and--oh, never mind. I KNOW God would have a big laugh if Uncle P showed up at the Pearly Gates asking for a Resurrection card. He'd laugh so hard, he'd piss. Then tell him to get down to Purgatory for, oh, about 10,000 years. Then try again.

  Please explain. Someone. Anyone.

  Why do you want to see someone who did all kinds of bad shit in their life, (shit you probably don't know about) and think God is going to go, "Yeah, a second chance to be perfect and f-up again. Sure. Why not. I never fixed AIDS or Poverty or Clean Water, but, what the heck. I'll give you a second chance to screw up for 1000 years on Paradise earth. Try not to mess it up this time."

  I'm serious.
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  Boy Sent Home From School For Drawing Pic Of Jesus Dead On A Cross!

  by minimus in

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  a taunton mass.

  2nd grader was sent home from school after the class was asked to draw something relating to the holidays.

  he had been with his dad a couple of weeks before to a church function and saw these types of crosses on display.

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  What if the kid were a JW and put JC on a stake, tied with rope? The poor teacher would have really been confused.

  Hopefully the kid would have his WT book (can't recall which--The Great Teacher?) and show JC with the two thiefs all bound on the stakes together. Remember that?
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  The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

  by minimus in

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  we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

  now, we don't accept this.

  so what hope do you have?

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  Why do so many people want to see dead relatives? I'm curious.

  Seriously. Why is seeing someone who was old, ill, etc., so all consuming to JWs and, apparently, Ex-JWs?

  As I noted in my response, I honestly don't want to see *any* of my dead relatives. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. I have accepted that they are D-E-A-D and aren't coming back. I am not going to heaven and I am not ever going to see them again. For that, I am happy.

  So, why is this such an all consuming issue with this Cult? Why is thinking that you'll hug Grumpy, Smelly Grampy so appealing?

  Please explain. Someone. Anyone. Or, I'll start a new thread.
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  An apostate Christmas carol

  by parakeet in

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  sung to "rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer.".

  rudolph, the red-faced elder.

  had a very active nose.. he used to sniff out trouble,.

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  Collapse (2009) by Mike Ruppert

  by Mincan in

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  can be streamed from here:.

  http://www.videoweed.com/file/rv5fh4cfbce75.

  or downloaded here:.

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  VIII

  Better get your cars running on vegetable oil; used of course.

  A good friend works in used vegetable oil and business has never been better. Heck with the Prius. Go Crisco.