I love reading your posts Grace!
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19I have to tell you
by mouthy inthere are some wonderful folks reading this site.. so many wonderful jws( doubters ...but reading).
also there are folks on here who know it is a cult... one of them just called me...( wont say who ,as is fading).. but encouraged me so very much,thank you thank you thankyou.
i always go back to my post & i seem .
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Do Children Who Get Baptized Have Any Legal Leeway To Leave The Religion When They Are Older Without Shunning?
by minimus inafter reading the threads on watchtower encouraging 10 year olds to take the baptismal plunge, i wonder if they have an actual legal right to terminate their agreements without any penalty enforced by the organization.. i think those of us who were "too young" to enter into any contract could be absolved of any agreements, even religious vows, because we were still obviously too young to understand all the "fine print" before signing.. what do you think??
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Lawyers here in the US will take your money and enjoy the process. You will never be able to find a court willing to take this on. Read the links above. If they tried with the JWs they would have the Muslims, Scientologists, 7th Day Adventists and every other person with a bone of contention against the faith they were raised in. Doesn't matter what *we* think and how shunning hurts.
Until they are declared a cult and not a viable religion, it is untouchable.
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Am I the only one who felt sorry for adam and eve?
by Joliette inthe witnesses always blame everything on adam and eve (besides satan).
for some reason, when i used to look at the my book and bible stories when i was little, i used to feel bad for adam and eve?
its kinda like getting mad at a baby for making a mistake.
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I always thought A) they couldn't be perfect since they got hoodwinked by the Devil and B) why was the Devil there in the first place?
So, my *logic* ran along the line of they were like the Forrest Gumps of the GE. Not the brightest bulbs if Eve was willing to talk to a snake.
My next thought was how could anyone believe that all of humanity was from these two dimrods?
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Do Children Who Get Baptized Have Any Legal Leeway To Leave The Religion When They Are Older Without Shunning?
by minimus inafter reading the threads on watchtower encouraging 10 year olds to take the baptismal plunge, i wonder if they have an actual legal right to terminate their agreements without any penalty enforced by the organization.. i think those of us who were "too young" to enter into any contract could be absolved of any agreements, even religious vows, because we were still obviously too young to understand all the "fine print" before signing.. what do you think??
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contract1) n. an agreement with specific terms between two or more persons or entities in which there is a promise to do something in return for a valuable benefit known as consideration.
Since the law of contracts is at the heart of most business dealings, it is one of the three or four most significant areas of legal concern and can involve variations on circumstances and complexities. The existence of a contract requires finding the following factual elements:
a) an offer;
b) an acceptance of that offer which results in a meeting of the minds;
c) a promise to perform;
d) a valuable consideration (which can be a promise or payment in some form);
e) a time or event when performance must be made (meet commitments);
f) terms and conditions for performance, including fulfilling promises;
g) performance. A unilateral contract is one in which there is a promise to pay or give other consideration in return for actual performance. (I will pay you $500 to fix my car by Thursday; the performance is fixing the car by that date). A bilateral contract is one in which a promise is exchanged for a promise. (I promise to fix your car by Thursday and you promise to pay $500 on Thursday).
Contracts can be either written or oral, but oral contracts are more difficult to prove and in most jurisdictions the time to sue on the contract is shorter (such as two years for oral compared to four years for written). In some cases a contract can consist of several documents, such as a series of letters, orders, offers and counteroffers. There are a variety of types of contracts: "conditional" on an event occurring; "joint and several," in which several parties make a joint promise to perform, but each is responsible; "implied," in which the courts will determine there is a contract based on the circumstances. Parties can contract to supply all another's requirements, buy all the products made, or enter into an option to renew a contract. The variations are almost limitless. Contracts for illegal purposes are not enforceable at law. 2) v. to enter into an agreement.
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This is true for Business. Does this apply to Religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract
Interpreting contracts that invoke religious law
Can parties to a contract specify that their obligations will be governed by religious law? UCLA's Eugene Volokh thinks not, relying on a series of cases that prohibit U.S. courts from deciding issues of religious doctrine. He concludes:
And I think this rule is right, even though it does “seem[] like discrimination against a religion, telling its adherents they are not allowed to specific religious law in their contracts” (or rather like discrimination against religion generally). The alternative, after all, is for courts to take sides in deciding which rival religious view — say, which understanding of Islamic law — is right and which is wrong, which would itself involve discrimination in favor of one religious subgroup (the one whose view is adopted by the civil courts as the true view of Islamic law, Jewish law, etc.) and against another religious subgroup. That strikes me as worse than civil court abstention from all attempts to decide how to interpret religious concepts.
I'm not a constitutional lawyer (thank God) and I'm sure the cases say what he says they say. But this line of reasoning strikes me as unpersuasive. After all, the government is not "discriminating" against anyone when it decides a contract dispute. If the parties specifically agree to have their dispute judged by a government court using Sharia or the Code of Canon Law or (for that matter) the Code of Hammurabi, the law is not inserting itself into religioius affairs. No one except the individual parties will be bound by the decision, and even they are bound only to the degree they agreed to be. Where's the discrimination?
Maybe I'm missing something.
FGS
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Going Door to Door with Scrolls
by VM44 indoes anyone know where this anachronistic and propagandistic picture came from?.
did a watchtower artist draw it?.
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Those pics are priceless!!
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A Free House
by EmptyInside ina few congregations bought property to build a kingdom hall.
a small house is on the property.
they are giving it away,but the catch is,the house must be relocated.
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Nice 'stache.
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The Face Of Jehovah
by PublishingCult ini was one of the lucky ones (sarcasm).
i was born into the cult of the publishing corporation.
my earliest childhood memories are tangled horribly with the sights and sounds a kingdom hall.
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I always imagined Jehovah looking like a cross between every Elder and CO along with Jesus thrown in. Add to the mix my very old great-grandfather and there you go. One Fugly God. And he had a beard. Had to have a beard. Old, very old. Never, ever smiled. Always grim.
How Satan got to be like a serpent or similar creature and then the angels look, uh, angelic is pretty funny if you think about it. All a figment of someone's imagination.
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The Authorized Ruling on the God Debate
by SweetBabyCheezits inat aude's suggestion i'm starting this thread from [one of] the point[s] i digressed on the brodan meltdown thread.. [cyber]jesus: sbc, you speak like a man!
you are my here now.... i'd like the christians to note that a man who goes by the name of jesus just called me his hero.
(actually, he said "here" but i'm taking the liberty, regardless.
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Clap, Clap, Clap.
I am so sick of this debate. And worrying that the FSM will get me. Or his Nephlim will come down and breed with me. (I know they want to----all bad Angels do--Yes, I am that hot. No pics are necessary. I run. Case closed. )
So, I will just go on and be like all the great people everyone worships. I'll let the reader discern who that may be.
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How to question their beliefs
by Scarlouie ini questioned my mom today about beth sarim.
she of course had never heard of it, even after 40 years as a jw.
neither of my sisters have every heard of the 1976 predictions either, they are both born in with elders as husbands.
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It's hard not to. I have tried to death with my Mom.
Her standard response to anything New System related: "Jehovah will take care of us"
I stumped her on tooth brushing and flossing. How? She didn't have an answer. Even Jehovah hasn't figured that one out.
All the above suggestions are very good. The moment you hear "you must have misunderstood" step back and let it go for the moment. She's shutting down.
Try Steve Hassan's books on mind control and cults. Very helpful.
Because, it's a C-U-L-T. Remember that.