my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
Cool MDS.
So, that means that JWs NEVER preached the divine name at all, and were false prophets for claiming to proclaim it, as did the Bible Students before them. So they never had God's favor in the first place, and therefore could never have fallen out of that favor in the first place, right?
Edited by - ianao on 23 January 2001 20:34:33
hello all.. this is a quote from an earlier conversation in the 1975 thread.. are you saying that the garden was weeded from those who put too much faith in "god's spirit-directed organization"?
did these people listen to too much of their "food at the proper time"?.
unfortunately, i never received a response from smartgirlpw, only insults of "boo boos" and truth hurting.. i would like to know if you personally (yes, i am asking for your opinion here, your pearls, or two cents) believe that you should not take very seriously what is stated in the wt publications, and if so, or even if not, please explain.. this was my original question before i lashed out at you for claiming we were having a pitty party and you began to lash out at me, java, pathofthorns, trevor, etc.
I will be happy to answer the question posed, when someone else poses it...someone sincere. So pay attention, when someone asks, who knows, I may answer it, on some different thread.
Sincere = Willing to become a member of your new "flock".
To "RedHorseWoman," "Ianao," & Company, (a few more that need naming) You guys and gals ought to "chill,"...really.
Good one. Ridicule the ridiculers of the ridiculer. That will show your right. Excellent stratedgy MDS!
You people, are simply intolerate of other peoples opinions, just like the people you soooo condemn, the Watchtower Society and its Governing Body. This board here, is the proof. The "proof," is right before you.
Wrong MDS. *I* am intollerant. I am intollerant of YOUR opinions. YOU however are parading yourself on this board not like someone with an opinion, but someone with an AGENDA anyway.
When someone disagrees with you people, when things they say just don't jive with you own lofty "opinions,"... how do you react?
How do you react?
...you CHIDE...MAKE FUN OF....DERIDE...RIDICULE... over and over again.
That is correct MDS, as is human nature. (Looks like you are lashing yourself, no?)
You are not "scientific" at all to your approach to anything you haven't heard before...new ideas. No, You just condemn it!The board is the "proof," ... simple.
"New ideas" are just fine MDS. The problem comes in when people like YOU come in professing ultimate utter unreconcilable 'TRUTH' as apposed to a NEW IDEA, THAT is when *I* condemn it. Because *I* know from experience that life is not so simple. And I also know when I see a mentally disturbed individual when I see one.
So, don't get mad with me. Your venting anger at me doesn't intimidate me at all
Excellent! Then you do have hope if mear WORDS cannot intemmidate you.
I would think by now, you would know that...the length of time I've been here...disagreeing with you the whole way. Using the Bible prove to my points the whole way.
Any percieved intemmedation is more dellusion on YOUR part MDS. *MY* intent is to make you see that you need some mental help, and protect these folks from another WACO incedent, or at least another "Worldwide Church of God" incident. By the way, I do not take reinterpretation of other's ideas as Biblical proof MDS. Sorry. Doesn't cut it.
You say I'm looking for "disciples." Maybe...but more importantly, maybe I'm looking for individuals WHO LOVE TRUTH . Ever heard of that?
If you are speaking of ex-JWs who still think the society is God's channel, then I understand what you say. If you are speaking of people that are wise to the ways of clever-speaking men who look pariahic on the outside, then you are in the WRONG place.
This is a lot more important than having a few "disciples," following after one, just for the purpose of "following." That's ridiculous. "Truth," real "truth," is our quest. It should be yours too.
Why? So we can forget our friends and family, neglect our children, brush away their education and INTELLECT, and continue to destroy the Earth out of a lack of caring for it because of the "new system"? Not our fault right? Satan's world right? Just forget about fixing all the damage mankind has done to it right? Let God correct our mistakes right?
Why won't you let the Bible have the LAST WORD? Why? There is no one among you that can use it...no one.
A VERY presumptious statement MDS. Have you ever thought that maybe we don't quote the bible left and right because most of us were RAISED on it? Ever been raised on another human's misapplication of biblical principals MDS? Not too fun, is it?
I put up a lengthy post, much to your chagrin... a scritural post, a scriptural position.
David Koresh used the Bible as well. He also claimed he understood the seven seals. He also claimed that the Korenthians were battling at armageddon, and HE could prove ALL of it through scripture. He used SCRIPTURE to knock up a whole bunch of women and start a new "seed". Guess what? If he was right, then armageddon is over, and God lost, because this "system" is still here. And you know what? No matter how scriptural his position was, the fact of the matter is that he is now DEAD. D-E-A-D.
Do you come back "other" scriptures, like Jesus did to the "Devil,"...if I am wrong, take the Bible and REFUTE me, like Jesus did the Devil on the Mountain.
You cannot refute reinterpretation of ideas to fit your motives with the same bible you used to formulate your interpretation. It's been tried again and again through the ages with absoloute failure. Why do you think that so many Bible-based religions STILL EXIST today? Please remember that YOUR God is another's 3-in-1. Your "satan" is another's "Jesus".
Don't ridicule, deride, chide, call me "waco fool," and so on... is that all you can do?
That is all I have to do. Oh, are your true motives coming out? Do you want to "win the argument"? How interesting. Here comes that "us" vs. "them" mentality that many ex-JWs are SOOOOOOO sick of.
Say things, like if the the people listen to me, they are headed for "death," following "David Koresh,"...where's your proof...where is it?
Unfortunately, and especially for the people that died under direction of Koresh, the proof came a little too late. Your words are your proof.
You people cannot use God's Word to condemn me... you've proved nothing by using the scriptures...nothing.
Your words have condemned you, IMHO. And scripture is NOT necessary, because most of us remember the prohecy's of false teachers springing up, and "flase teachers" misleading many.
The whole lot of you, COMBINED cannot refute nothing I've written, nothing. You are completely "ignorant" when comes to the Word of God.
Another bad presumption MDS. I forgive you for the insult.
And for that, you need to be completely condemned, for attacking one that relies and uses God's Word to "set matters straight." Something you know nothing about.
Who's lashing out now MDS? A bit presumptious, yet again.
Intimidation is something you tried on me. You tried it on "Smartgirlpw" and will try it on any who disagrees with your foolish and nonsensical notions. Non-Biblical ones.
To be perfectly honest, her "generalizations" offended me, and THAT is why I lashed out at her, for the insult. I will not try "it" on you anymore, MDS. Unless I change my mind. Because, I know that insanity negates logic, and YOU are beyond help.
Someone even had the ridiculous notion to tell me to quit quoting Scriptures from God's Word. What a foolish statement.
Well, what do you expect? People were quoted scripture for a loooooong time under the guise of TRUTH. Then they discover that it's nothing more than another interpretation of the Bible. What would you say to someone quoting scripture to prove that Jesus is "God, the son". Is that ridiculous?
Admittedly, when I spoke, you did try to intimidate me, just as you tried to intimidate "Smartgirlpw," when she spoke her mind, and said you guys was having a "pity-party." She noted that you were swallowed up in your self-pity. She made the observation, and you guys and gals couldn't stand it.
Tell me something MDS, if I called you a NUTCASE, would YOU like it? Would logical like it? Of course not. Smartgirlpw is as human as the rest of us. The whole argument was pure human nature. Please remember, one's "self-pitty" is another's healing. People only DEAL with things from their own perspective.
She saw, she didn't "fit in" to your neat, little "group" here. Your nasty little "comments," your "observations" of her, berated, and belittled her for even having an opinion different from your own.
Yes, when anyone's very OPINION berates and belittle's me, that tends to happen. A parihic judgement on a whole board. I say she did state her case VERY WELL, and I understand it. That does not make ME wrong and HER right because I LASHED BACK at my attacker in my own self defense. Don't turn a disagreement and ensuing argument into anything more than it already is.
You wanted her to either LEAVE (like you own the board or something, a public board mind you,) or either CONFORM, like so many others who are indeed, afraid of you, and are intimidated by your "actions," your opinions and viewpoints. I am not one of them. Neither is "Smartgirlpw"...
Sorry MDS, I told her to LEAVE if she was going to continue to INSULT people with her snyde (sp?) remarks. As I said: Her "generalizations" are another's insults. Oh BTW. If anyone wanted to OBJECT to my actions, they would have done so. I only state the reactions of others in times past to the SAME SITUATION.
But, for her own, peace of mind, She chose to leave. And that's fine if she wants to do this. That's fine for her. Perhaps, she will find "friends" that will more tolerate of her views on a different board, even if they have differing viewpoints from others...even if there is "corrective" counsel in her viewpoints, adjustments that we all need to make. Still, she will be accepted by others. She knows this. -- 2 Tim. 3:16, 17
More power to her. And each person's "corrective counsel" is relative to his/her situation. I am glad that she knows this as a JW. That's good. It's the same council given to mormans, moravians, methodists, catholics, baptists, advantists, jews (in most cases), etc. etc. (sorry, don't feel like putting a scripture here to backup what I say, because I am not trying to win over followers into a new religion).
But, in my case I decided not to leave. I didn't leave. And because of this...other "lovers of truth," will continue to listen too. That's the way Jehovah works...in case you didn't know.
Well thank you for the insight there MDS. I 'preciate that. Since this is a public board, I am glad that you will stay. So, how's about providing that "corrective" counseling for people that come on this board and need help (remember what you did for me). Oh wait, I forgot... Right after you tried to help me feel better, YOU TRIED TO SELL ME A REPORT.
And there is nothing that man can do, with all of his "wicked antics", and oppressive ways and tricks of intimidation, as demonstrated on this board, time and time again, still nothing that man can do, to stop truth. You just can't stop it...you know.
Yeah I know. I also know that YOUR 'truth' is another's falsehood. And because it will ALWAYS be that way, I don't get myself in a tizzy over it.
my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
The way I understood Amicus' post was thatJehovah's name doesnt matter, and he intended his name not to be known, and for people to focus on Christ, not him.
Yeah I understand. I thought amicus was referring to the huge broadside that JWs give God's Son Jesus. I also agree that YHWH is an important name too. (And NOT knowing it would make it VERY hard to sanctify)
Isn't it interesting though, that Jesus said in a model prayer to pray to "The Father who is in Heaven"?
logical, do you not usually refer to YOUR father as "Father"/"Dad", even while KNOWING his proper name?
my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
MDS,
Please show me the proper prononciation of YHWH?
Please don't post it here again with Adonai's sylables. Please post the proper PHONETIC PRONUNCIATION. Then, please prove to all of us that you have that proper pronunciation. Only then will you have the proper name.
Oh, whoops! Can't do it can you? Nobody alive from OT times to do it! Darn.
Don't tell ME that a people carry God's name because they go around toting a suspicious misspelling. If they REALLY wanted to, they would have used the tetremegration and tried to pronounce it as accurately as possible. Did they do this? No.
my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
Hey MDS...
Don't you think you are insulting Jesus be re-interpreting the prophecies of his coming?
my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
BTW eyes_opened,
I told you MDS would post, didn't I?
my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
Hey MDS, if you are SO SINCERE, then post the darn report here on a new thread. ALL of it. EVERY SINGLE BIT of it.
Until then, your posts are nothing more but an attempt to hook gullible people into buying it.
Also, don't expect many people to take it seriously, because they have benn "washed away" once already, and sometimes two or three times, depending on their religious backgrounds.
hello all.. this is a quote from an earlier conversation in the 1975 thread.. are you saying that the garden was weeded from those who put too much faith in "god's spirit-directed organization"?
did these people listen to too much of their "food at the proper time"?.
unfortunately, i never received a response from smartgirlpw, only insults of "boo boos" and truth hurting.. i would like to know if you personally (yes, i am asking for your opinion here, your pearls, or two cents) believe that you should not take very seriously what is stated in the wt publications, and if so, or even if not, please explain.. this was my original question before i lashed out at you for claiming we were having a pitty party and you began to lash out at me, java, pathofthorns, trevor, etc.
No doubt larc, it will be PARAMOUNT that we buy this report and LEARN LEARN LEARN before it's too late.
went to an interesting site the other day concerning 1914 and the wtbts.
it seems well researched and true.
hope you'll visit it and comment here.. http://home.online.no/~jansh/wteng/chron.html.
A very good thought logical. And one that just shoes that JWs/Bible Students were NEVER God's chosen people in the first place.
That is, if you are trying to meld history/prohecy to make it make sense.
Edited by - ianao on 23 January 2001 17:36:48
my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
Hello logical.
amicus' quote:
Christians are supposed to focus on Christ. That's the new chain-of-command.
and your response:
That is simply called "Creature Worship", "Idolatry", worshipping the creation and not the creator - something CONDEMNED in the Bible. Even Christ himself pointed out that Jehovah, his Father is greater than he is.
Well, if you notice, amicus said "chain-of-command", as he recalls the scripture that tells Christians that none come to the Father but THROUGH him.
Going TO God THROUGH Jesus. Therefore, amicus would not be worshipping a creature. I also don't recall him saying that he would "worship" Jesus, do you?
Edited by - ianao on 23 January 2001 17:1:58
