Posts by diamondiiz

77

An official Jw.org YouTube channel.

by His Excellency in

jw
friends

an official jw.org youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jehovahswitnessesen/videos,

diamondiiz

Jeffro:

I knew of the fb page months ago since I quickly glanced at it without paying too much attention to the content back then, obviously didn't realizing it was foreign.

Yesterday with youtube site going up I assumed they were related since they looked similar and when I checked the fb site last night which was still there I came to realize it was foreign and started nov 2012. If I remember correctly that's around the time of the new revised jw.org site. The photos of wts material was pretty good, not scanned like many other fb pages, and there wasn't many comments. The site had green JW.org logo with the ™ at the bottom right corner, same as the youtube page.

Today fb page was gone. I went through the log history and found https://www.facebook.com/jw.orgmartoriiluiiehova but obviously the page is down.

Just did Google search and here's the google cache link to it. See what you think

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:x8QnAnNcSXEJ:https://www.facebook.com/jw.orgmartoriiluiiehova+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

77

An official Jw.org YouTube channel.

by His Excellency in

jw
friends

an official jw.org youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jehovahswitnessesen/videos,

diamondiiz

Jeffro:

I seen it last night, but can't find it today which is odd. FB site had jw.org green logo, same as official jw.org site and same as the youtube site and had many wts pictures on it similar in quality to their official site. Last night when I check it, it has been around since nov 2012 but it was in foreign language, when clicked on the jw.org link it opened up jw.org/ro version which I'm not sure if it's Romanian or not.

77

An official Jw.org YouTube channel.

by His Excellency in

jw
friends

an official jw.org youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jehovahswitnessesen/videos,

diamondiiz

Looked at the official looking fb page and it is in foreign so obviously isn't wts'. By quick glance it does look good too. Youtube site kept negative comments on it so that wouldn't have happened had it been official. Would have been interesting marketing strategy but I guess not, someone did a good job making it look official though. Lets see how long this yt site will last with all their precious © videos.

77

An official Jw.org YouTube channel.

by His Excellency in

jw
friends

an official jw.org youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jehovahswitnessesen/videos,

diamondiiz

It appears that WTS is running a new marketing campaign to sucker people in. Apparently they dumped the old Watchtower site and since then they are promoting jw.org everywhere (web site, facebook, youtube, carts and store) instead of The Watchtower which leaves their magazine the only publication that still carries the original identifying name. Will that crap have a face lift in 2014? A newer combined journal (wt&awake) should be easier to distribute because surely the target market won't know what hit them as they no longer see the Watchtower magazine when they open their door but rather a new jw.org journal. ;) Who are these people in these cool cheap suits? I bet more householders will beg for a bible study.

It appears wts is trying to look less cultish, more main stream and appeal to religious folk who may fall for the carrot. The problem is that unless someone has a partial fear of the world and is partially indoctrinated that the devil is out to get them they may just google up Watchtower or JW and then they have the other side of the story freely available to them at their leisure. This may not help Watchtower all that much. This is another headache for them, and while their legal team has been busy with pedophile issues lately they may began to focus on xjw sites and try to bully them like they did with quotes.

Where else can we expect jw.org advertising in the future? Billboards? Relatively cheap with high viewership which would also make sense on their part. JWs will eat this up as the end must be imminent because such urgency hasn't been seen since Rutherford's reign. According to their recent letter to BOE their "coupon" for free bible study on their web site worked wonders so billboards may not be that far fetched. Where else can they get cheap advertising? Cheap or free local station gigs? Maybe a radio station running pre recorded talks?

Are they going all out to get more people in or are they going to keep it as cheap as possible? Youtube along with other sites may be trial runs and if they notice more money come in they may expand their marketing to more main stream venues. Almost forgot, their sales agents are already doing their rounds on forums and Q&A sites promoting jw.org so few new sites will easily be pushed by jws seeking to get easy time in. The only thing missing is something in writing promoting JWs to use the net to advertise these but this may come more implicitly by a letter advising dubbies that they have a new channel to benefit from which to them will signal that they should immediately advertise these.

and I thought I could stay away from this site and move on, I guess I'm not over this crap as much as I hoped

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School and Jehovah's Witness brochure from 1983...

by Joliette in

jw
friends

does anyone know where i can find this?

is there a pdf version of it anywhere to be found?.

.

diamondiiz

http://www.mediafire.com/view/v7qfttofbbzgq98/1983_-_School_and_JWs-BEST.pdf

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Summary of WT Appeal Brief in Conti Case

by Chaserious in

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if they were able to win on this ground, they could get out completely (although it could still be appealed to the ca supreme court).

diamondiiz

Chaserious - Thanks for the summary.

The first point may be valid in most cases but the problem with the structure of WTS is that all JWs act as agents of WTS and I'm guessing this is what Simons will have to show the appeal judge. All JWs are baptized as ministers of Jehovah, all answered the baptismal question of recognizing WTS as god's directed organization. Simons will need to prove agency relationship, and I think that exists and probably most would see it.

When JWs come to a door, the householder automatically thinks of Watchtower and Awake which impresses the householder that JWs are agents for WTS not only by being offered WTS publications but also the outfit worn which is also a WTS requirement. If a JW studies with an individual, they are studying wts publications, they act as agents representing wts because not only that they are teaching wts theology they are also following wts rules as to how they teach, which books they use and what arguments to use to counter the arguments(reasoning book). When JWs are in service, they follow wts procedures as to how they go about preaching and how they team up with one another. When JWs move up in rank to MS, elder,CO,etc.. this is more evident through greater responsibility of teaching the congregations.

Does WTS have the duty of care? I think they do as any other corporation has duty to have rules and guidelines that protect its employees (agents) from one another and from harming unrelated parties. I didn't follow the case in great detail but was her relationship to Kendricks result of him being an "agent" of WTS? Most likely, and if the higher ups knew of his dangerous behavior then others (agents) should have been either warned or he should have been removed (termination of agent relationship) from furthering the harm to others in which case the agency (WTS) is vicariously liable.

If WTS loses this appeal I think they will move towards changing the nu lite to reflect more than ever the distance of rank and file from the corporation as they've been trying to do in recent times.

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It,s time to fight back, this is getting out of hand.

by jam in

any suggestions to bring a end to the attacks on us who have.

left the borg and continuing efforts to alienate our love one still.

in the borg.. how about this, we all send letters to hq, flood the mail room with.

diamondiiz

Write to Human Rights organizations, I wrote a letter to UN but haven't received anything back - and probably wont. WTS has money and power to lobey such groups to their own benefit and these groups will try to support WTS ideology as freedom of religion because WTS is big enough to be viewed as a legitimate religion. When these bodies hear a complaint from one individual it simply is discarded as a complaint from disgrunded member or opposed public. It took years for child abuse to become eye opener for the world as a real problem. So is the view of shunning based on religious law even though today many people simply ignore the problem as each ones right to choose, which religious shunning has nothing to do with freedoms to chose.

Email human rights groups, your local politicians, if ex memebers could actually unit and do something as a group rather than as an individuals we would have better chance at affecting governmental bodies as to how they allow religions to treat its members/ex-members.

Writing to WTS will only enpower them to come out with more articles against those leaving, as this is the only power they have and a main weapon that makes them a cult. It is the governmental/judicial bodies that can only put an end to such vile practice and those are the bodies that x member should appeal to. Until x members can unite in something, we're figthing a losing battle. You know that once WTS loses the power to shun there will be more people that leave, more people will have freedoms to choose and think for themselves, it may take several years or a decade after the end of shunnig policy but it would change for the better.

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

diamondiiz

http://www.soec.ca/documents/13F21-JW-PR.pdf

Looks like WTS signed 5 year contract for DCs after having dubs traveling 3hr to a convention for the last 5 years, spending who knows how much on food and lodging probably just to squeeze local venue for lower price at the expense of 1000s of dubs - surely Jehoober guided them well. So it looks like 3 day snore fest isn't going away any time soon.

Global Spectrum signs five-year contract with Jehovah’s Witnesses of Canada
Penticton BC: The South Okanagan Events Centre (SOEC), managed by Global Spectrum, is
delighted to announce the signing of a five-year contract with the Jehovah’s Witnesses of
Canada. The first Penticton bound convention will begin on Friday, June 21 and conclude on
Sunday, June 23, 2013.
This convention will bring up to 3,500 delegates to Penticton for a minimum of four nights. Sally
Pierce, Assistant General Manager of the SOEC Complex, worked very closely with the
convention organizing committee after a sister Global Spectrum building shared the lead. “The
Jehovah’s Witnesses group has worked with many Global Spectrum managed facilities in
Canada and the United States. Our discussions stem back to 2009. The contract, awarded to
the SOEC Complex, identifies the strong relationship between the Jehovah’s Witnesses group
and Global Spectrum,” said Pierce.
“We are looking forward to returning to Penticton, after an absence of many years,” said Stanton
Hill, Jehovah’s Witnesses of Canada convention organizer. “Penticton offers a beautiful place to
visit and we are very much looking forward to enjoying the hospitality of this fine city.” Hill added,
“Working with Global Spectrum always provides a high level of confidence. We thoroughly
appreciate their professional approach to business. They make our lives easier.”
For future Jehovah’s Witnesses conventions, dates will soon be finalized. They are scheduled to
fall between June and mid-July in Penticton.
The annual conventions are a spiritual highlight for Jehovah’s Witnesses, focusing on bible
education. Annually, 7 million Jehovah’s Witnesses

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I'm posting here an informative email from STEVEN UNTHANK

by AndersonsInfo in

yesterday, a jwn poster e-mailed me asking if i would post on this discussion board his recent email to steven unthank and also post stevens reply.

the reason for the request is because the poster has need to remain completely anonymous.

i agreed to share the email because i knew you would find stevens reply informative and interesting.. .

diamondiiz

Since there were never official court transcripts released to substanciate anything he claimed to have been said in court by him or WTS officials, anything that he claims in this letter is purely based on trusting his words and however much I like to believe this to be true, I can't without any evidence backing these claims!

Personally this letter is another Unthank letter, similar to his older posts I've seen in the past based on his words and expectation that the reader places implicit trust in it.

The talk claimed in this letter sounds over the top, and would be very irresponsible action by WTS legal department to put themselves and their client in. I've been a skeptic of his for some time, and this letter doesn't alleviate any of my doubts.

If he's closely connected to elders of that congregation why don't we see some letters that supposedly have been sent to the KH regarding his law suit? I don't know if talks are still recorded as has been the case during my dub years, but if so there should be a recording - especially when a big shot from WTS comes to give a talk. If a claim is made that letters nor a recording can be provided because elders would be found out, it would be irrational to include contact with BOE in a public letter to xJWs which could be read by WTS legal and act accordingly with the entire BOE of that congregation if WTS chose to.

Divine Justice now requires that those who threatened both myself and my family be "wiped out and left penniless."

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Another sad non jw falling for a baptised jw girl story

by spirituk in

ok ,so this is my story , this jw girl came on vacation in my country as a friend of my girl-cousin who is not a jw but were classmates at uni .

my cousin introduced her to me but she didnt tell me that she was a jw from the very first moment we flirt each other.we went on beach ,on bars ,cafes etc and she acted so wordly ,in fact i thought she could be a good one night stand with her behaviour .never saw anything weird about her that could lead me to question something, with the peak in the club where we danced together while hugging very passionatly .

i tried to kiss her that night but she kept her distance , i didnt notice any bad on that.anyway, next day we flirt again at the the beach and at night too .

diamondiiz

As long as a person is a JW at heart, meaning they were believing JWs who may be inactive but deep inside they still believe WTS is the truth or closest thing to the truth they are DAMAGED GOODS!!!! Take the most beautiful/hansom person on the planet in your eyes, and if that person is a jw at heart, they are NFG!!!!

Your relationship will suffer and one day you'll see them returning to the cult. It's easier for an ignorant person waking up to this reality that their partner is returning to the cult than some of us who know what the outcome will be and yet be in that wreckage of a relationship waiting for the other to give into their deep rooted cult personality.

Until a xJW/JW understands wts is a cult and they have researched and have proved to themselves that it is a cult, they are not relationship material. If you or others who disregard what people here are telling you, your relationship will be full of problems. Emotional problems, intimate problems, guilt problems, speaking freely will be a big problem. You also won't have a real family since your partner's family will be "drones" who will either want to suck you into the cult or will view you and your other half as bad association. If you have kids, you may get stuck in the relationship longer for the sake of your kids and it won't get better and you can only hope your mate doesn't decide to return to the cult and take your kids with her/him because their cult fear makes them believe that soon your kids will be killed by Jehovah if they don't return to the fold.

This may be a generalization of JWs but from personal experience and what others have said about their own relationships, this generalization is probably close to 99% true.