Posts by diamondiiz

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Not having a paradise earth in the future makes me sad - What about you?

by BonaFide in

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yes, i am enjoying realizing the truth about the truth.. but there is another side to it.

the world as we know it didn't seem to me to be the way that god intended it to be.

i know i was brainwashed, but it felt good believing that all the bad things would be changed.

diamondiiz

Scrapmama

The problem with your view is that you imagine God needs a slave to allow them a resurrection. Christ died for all and gave way for all those believing in him to be saved. Sure, the bible teaches of living a decent life but there is a huge difference between living a moral good life and a controlled life that is taught by governing body. Sure the bible speaks of earth being inhabited by the meek and Christ spoke of heaven but where is there clear scriptures pointing who will go where? Religious explanations of what future awaits are doctrines made by a group of people who came up with a theory and teach it as if God said so. When a bible is vague on something maybe it's better to leave it as such and not to create a dogma that needs to be believed no matter what. You can create your own understanding from what you learn in the bible without being totally dependant on strangers telling you what you must believe especially when the bible isn't clear on a topic.

When you think about it, paradise taught by Watch Tower is a delusion of reality. From their doctrine it would appear that everyone will have a beautiful home and a garden and will cultivate the earth to make it park like. But when you stop and think about it - you will realize that unless God does all the work for you, you will never accomplish such a dream. God didn't put man on earth to be robots. If there is going to be a new world on Earth during and after Christ's 1000 year reign then it will be much similar to the one we have today. My speculation is that the difference would be how people would view their work, instead of working for a certain master, they would work together to help their society. Meaning there would be garbage man, miners and all the other jobs you may not like in this system. The difference is how the manpower is utilized and those that don't contribute as much or don't push themselves more obviously wouldn't have as much as someone else who may extend themselves. Similarly to our day. Freedom from Watch Tower's mind control gives you much to think about without being limited to governing body's personal ideas.

peace

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Just my 2 Cents.......Go ahead and FLAME AWAY.....I won't reply

by scrapmama777 in

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"inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic.".

is this seriously one of the forum's rules to follow?

how can that be so when this whole forum is based on inciting hatred towards one religion.....jehovah's witnesses.......wow this is funny!

diamondiiz

Hello Scrapmama777:

"I have very good friends who are JW’s AND I also have very good friends who are NOT. I personally never judge a person just because they are NOT a witness. Yes, I am aware that is NOT what we are taught, but we ARE taught that Jehovah is the only one who has the right to judge the heart. My friends who are non JW’s do NOT judge ME because I AM a Witness, like you all. They love me for the person that I am, not what I believe in."

What you don't understand is the facts about the Watch Tower. I've been where you are and I've done my research into the history of doctrine and actions taken by the governing body and I have concluded they are blood guilty men. Since Rutherford the cult mentality has been created within the congregations where you can not even study the bible on your own terms. Governing body crerates this cult mentality within the organization that most people are too blind, scared or too uneducated to look deep into the Watch Tower history and reason on the facts themselves. Few that do, realize that they've been lied to and have very few options. In my circamstance, I didn't have any of my blood relitives in Watch Tower religion so I've chosen a path of disassociation and have set myself free from mind control. Many others who have come to know the truth about the governing body and it's action have many friends and family within the religion and for that reason, many choose not to walk away completely. So, as you've pointed out that you have friends within Watch Tower religion and out. Those on the out do not judge you for what you believe but the ones on the inside will. You could be a greatest perant in the world and once you tell your witness friends the facts about governing body you will be labeled and apostate and they will judge you as unworthy of their association. True, maybe not all witnesses would completly shun you but most will and those are not true friends in my books. I rather have a friend I can trust especially when I have not said a lie and Watch Tower witnesses are not those type of friends for most part. Quick example: In the 1960 governing body allowed Mexican witnesses to bribe officials to obtain a card stating they've put in their type in the army thus they could obtain passports and have a somewhat more relaxed life within the country. At the same time, Malawi witnesses would get raped, killed for not paying few cents for a political card which would allow them to be free in that country. Two very similar govenment documents but two completly different outcomes. Double standard? Why did governing body allow this? Could it be that the property they owned in Mexico should have been under government control like all other religions had to? But Governing Body didn't want that so they had Cultral Halls in Mexico instead of Kingdom Halls. They claimed they only gained religious freedom in the late 1980s when in fact they could have been a recognized religion since 1917 except they could not own property. So for the sake of money and greed they didn't want to stir trouble for Mexican witnesses while they didn't have much to loose with Malawi witnesses? I would say that the blood of Malawi witnesses is on governing body's hands. They are blood guilty! This is only one example. So do your own research and maybe find out facts before you label everyone here hating JWs which isn't the case for most part but rather it's the governing body who hides behind their corporation that people hate. They are the criminals that should be exposed. Do your own extensive research on Watch Tower doctrine and chronology and when an urge overtakes you to reason that it's a new light, ask yourself when did this new light occur and maybe why at that time? Was there a new president elected reasently or who benefited by the change. As as mentioned true friends you can trust and those you can't. Why do witnesses trust governing body whom they don't know other than what they tell you about themselves - in otherwords they are the ones that tell you Jehovah trusts them and Jesus trusts them. Have you ever heard Jehovah or Jesus tell anyone that? You take their word but will reject your close friends and family who you personally knew for years just because strangers tell you so - does that make any sense? Think about it.

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Have you ever wrote to GB and

by diamondiiz in

tell them what you thought of them when you found out what a fraud they are?.

diamondiiz

tell them what you thought of them when you found out what a fraud they are?

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Governing Body Talks @ Convention

by nbernat in

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well the convention was extremely long and boring but i decided to take specific notes on brother morris's talks for discussion here on jwd (and i was also able to get a few extra copies of the creation dvd so if anyone wants one, pm me).. overall, the brother is not a great orator and sometimes awkwardly raises his voice.

i am aware that some of the friends were a little disappointed to say the least that we did not get a more "famous" gb brother at the first international convention, but he speaks for the gb, so same difference.. it felt like most of his talks were around a.

) countering criticism about jws and b.

diamondiiz

One thing I find annoying is that they claim Jehovah for their own works. Like, Jehovah does this or does that when it is they. Do they want people to view them as God? lol

As for dates being correct? lol Another big joke. I'm thinking they are getting desperate with their 1914 BS and somehow are still pushing this old lie on the ignorant. Since they're still pushing this crap, I'm guessing they won't get rid of 1914 but will make another end episode as an imminent event. The governing body are just nuts! If they had any brain in their stupid skulls they would have gotten rid of 1914 loooong time ago.

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I commented about apostates today at the meeting

by cognac in

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i couldn't help myself.

it was so obnoxious what the paragraph was saying about apostates.. so i said that having a difference of opinion is not a problem but really as brought out by thessolonians it is when a person raises themselves up above god to have people follow them instead of god that they are considered bad in god's eyes.. i don't even know if it had anything to do with the question, but i just wanted to say that, lol..

diamondiiz

I claim Watch Tower is an apostate religion! Led by sons of destruction! From the start they bound up people with lies and they continue to do so. When was this religion appointed to be true by God? When? It hasn't other than by the words of the leaders who were corrupt from the start. Did God use Russell with his dates and pyramid scheme? What about Rutherford? Did Franz maybe have guidence by God's spirit which let him to assume that 1975 was a special year? Besides the leaders who are blood guilty claiming to be God's chosen where have we seen any acts of God's holy spirit on this religion? I'm not saying that other religions are better but speaking of WT I want to know when did this religion become the truth?

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Very confused-help please

by hatchetsup in

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just found this board late last night and can't stop reading, it's fascinating.. let me give you a quick background of myself.

i was born a jw, never baptized, was labeled bad association when i was 12 due to having all worldy friends and smoking, lol.

i was very confused how being that young i could be labelled as that but i was.

diamondiiz

Ray Franz's book is just excellent a must read! Jim Penton does a great job on history of the watchtower.

When there is a major crises in a family, death, divorce or major sickness that usually makes people think of God since they may subconsciously see themselves in that situation or they just wonder if there is anything beyond today's life. Religions or cults which don't differ by much, they really use these opertunities to capture people who are lost and confused. Before you start a study with witnesses read Ray Franz's book. Do some research on the watchtower's deceptive dealings with it's members. At least if you study with the witnesses you will have good questions to ask to which you won't get proper answers but nonsense that these things are old light or that these things are lies brought about by apostates. So before you do have a study do your own research so you know facts for yourselves. All the old Watch Tower publications you can find at:

http://www.archive.org/details/WatchTowerBibleandTractSocietyofPennsylvaniaWatchTowerpubs_0

or

http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm#magazines

or

http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/

By the way don't think my post is to discourage you from reading and studying the bible but it's the information you need to know about Watch Tower's leaders and what they don't tell the rank and file. Anyways here are some things you may or may not have known:

Russell taught (not thought as WT makes it sound)

1799 - start of last days

1874 - Christ returned invisibly

1878 - Christ began ruling as king

1914 - end of gentile time (used 606BC as a destruction of Jerusalem and it's temple by Babylon)

Pyramid Of Giza - God's witness in stone which pointed to 1914 and all other datesmentioned above.

Russell died with these beliefs

Rutherford took over and pointed to 1925 as a date more evidents in the bible than 1914

1922 - Rutherford changed Christ's start of ruling to 1914

1925 - Time when Abel, Abraham, Lot, Noah and other faithful bible characters would be resurrected to the earth

1929 - Pyramid of Giza announced to be demonic

1931? - Beth Sarim (House of Princes) was build in San Diego. Rutherford spend much time there and that's where he died. Another bonus of the mansion was the 2 Cadillacs that were used by Rutherford. The mansion was deeded to Abraham, Noah, etc....

1930s - Rutherford changed Christ's return, start of last days to 1914

1939? - Beth Shan (House of Security) build during WW2 and sold soon after Rutherford died. 2 bunkers were discovered on the land by the new owners.

1960s - While Malawi witnesses were killed, raped and beaten for not buying a political card since Watch Tower said no compromise allowed, Mexican witnesses were bribing officials to obtain military service card so they wouldn't have to serve in the army but would be able to obtain passports and because of that were placed on a reserve lists in case of war. Also Mexican Kingdom Halls were called Cultral Halls and witnesses were not allowed to sing songs or say prayers in these halls because they were not registered as a religion but as a cultral group. This happened until 1989 when watch tower officially registered as a religion in Mexico. Reason was because since 1917 Mexican constitution, religions could not own property but the freedom of religion was a right of all Mexicans.

1975 - Since 1966 the year was promoted as end of 6000 years of human existance and promoted as major date where it would make sense for God to bring in the new world. Some small apolagy was issued in 1980 or 81 watchtower.

1990 - Watchtower became NGO (UN branch) and stay as such until 2001 when UK guardian newspaper revealed their activity and upon the article release Watchtower cut it's ties with NGO. Other branches of Watchtower (European branches) still are NGO members or were members in 2007

2007 - multi million lawsuits paid out by Watch Tower to the pedophile victims.

THese are just the highlights of the Watch Tower's dealings. Have fun researching these for yourself. If you need help where to look just ask.

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Kansas City DC

by stillajwexelder in

by now you all know of the 5 release.

1) new song book but through the congs sept 1st.

2) new cd of all the new songs with vocals - also downloadable from sept 14th.

diamondiiz

Dagney:

If I remember correctly they said something about error of 1975 year in the 80 or 81 WT. I would have to look it up for actual quotes. GB is never wrong so they never really have to apolagize for anything they do since it's always the rank and file misreading the GB's direction

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Mexico and authorities

by diamondiiz in

has anyone contacted mexican authorities to find out an explanaition as to why wts was permited to exist for some 50 years under a cultral banner instead of a religious one?

also, another good question to them should be that of their "identidy cartilla for military service"!

how can jws hold this document if they teach against military service and yet are at the same time holding these documents?

diamondiiz

Has anyone contacted Mexican authorities to find out an explanaition as to why WTS was permited to exist for some 50 years under a cultral banner instead of a religious one? Also, another good question to them should be that of their "Identidy Cartilla for Military Service"! How can JWs hold this document if they teach against military service and yet are at the same time holding these documents? Can't the authorities realize that these documents were obtained by illigal means and that just maybe they should look into the matter of being "defrauded" by followers of WTS?

If no one has questioned the Mexican government as to their explation as to how these things are possible maybe we should try to find out more. I can see things being ignored by the authorities if no compains are made or if individuals ignore the facts but if people bring this to their attentions they should some how respond with some sort of logical excuse, explanation or do some investigating into a matter for themselves. Any opinions here????

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Anderson of the Brazil

by Anderson of the Brasil in

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good morning to everybody!

is a pleasure to participate in the forum.

my name is anderson, i have 43 years and i live in rio de janeiro, brazil.

diamondiiz

Welcome. I'm from Canada and formally disassociated myself 2 weeks ago :) but I've stopped everything about 2 years ago after finding out few facts about WTS and kept researching since. Nothing worse than finding out that we've been living a lie that governing body keeps telling us. Glad you found truth about the watch tower religion.

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i just dont fit in anymore...finally figured it out...hate it.....

by oompa in

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even with my jw wife.....i have told her for awhile she is prob better off without me....i was party central in jwland....nobody has had me over for two years now....i guess cause i could not shut up about some real truths about the so-called truth....now i have agreed to shut up....these guys really do have a right to their own beliefs...i am very non-judgemental and always have been......i should have shut up two years ago or so...but damm......trying to fit in with your own marriage in order to save being shunned from your blood family and a very few what is left dub friends just sucks.....starting over at midlife is such a bitch.....such a bitch..........oompa.

and ya...the fear of the unknown is really present......if all i have known is jw...i will prob not fit into real world either.

diamondiiz

Being worldly is a state of mind. You find good people and the bad just as you do within JWs. There is no difference except you find people for what they really are. If they smoke and do dope or screw on their wifes so such are they and at least they're not as decietful as JWs. If you don't like a certain crowd you don't have to hang out with them and you don't have to claim that all are your friends when they are not. JWs claim all are one big family which you know is a bunch of shit. Find friends that suit you and start living a true to yourself life. I'm lucky that my wife is quite good considering she still goes to meetings but otherwise life can be good with a JW wife if she's normal, if she's wacked like some fenatical JWs than I'm sorry you got stuck in a bad merriage. Talk to her and try to make things work otherwise mid life isn't that old to find something better.