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  I'm curious

  by teejay in

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  to all loyal jehovah's witnesses:.

  the bible says that at the mouth of three witnesses let every matter be firmly established.

  so i'm curious... if you had to choose only three, what three things about the watchtower society and/or it's teachings convinces you beyond any doubt that jehovah's witnesses has the truth about the bible and is the sole representative of jehovah on earth today?.

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  ICHING

  tj - can you get back to me with this one in about twenty years?

  I need a little time to think about it.

  thanks

  I-CHING

  Edited by - iching on 17 March 2001 8:46:53
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  The arrogance of the "True Believer"

  by Norm in

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  both political and religious true believers often distinguish themselves by their limitless arrogance towards people who dare hold different opinions from them.

  every thing has to be done on their terms; people who think differently cant expect to have the same rights as those who consider themselves true believers.

  in this way a elite is created a kind of spiritual master race.

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  ICHING

  i hope i'm not reading any surprise there between the lines norm!

  beautiful post.

  I-CHING
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  I'm curious

  by teejay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to all loyal jehovah's witnesses:.

  the bible says that at the mouth of three witnesses let every matter be firmly established.

  so i'm curious... if you had to choose only three, what three things about the watchtower society and/or it's teachings convinces you beyond any doubt that jehovah's witnesses has the truth about the bible and is the sole representative of jehovah on earth today?.

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  ICHING

  tj - i admire your unashamed optimism.

  sorry i can't help you out.

  I-CHING
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  The dilema of Uncle onion.

  by uncle_onion in

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  my dilemma.

  those of you who know me personally and via the web will know that i am a studious person.

  now take a look at genesis 36:31. this verse says these were the kings who reigned in edom before any israelite king reigned.. at the time of writing genesis, they were no kings of israel.

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  ICHING

  why didn't God create us with a third hand? I've seen many a time where a third hand would've been right handy.

  yea i agree -

  especially during sex.

  I-CHING
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  Child Molestation

  by Friend in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  following is a slightly improved version of something i posted onto various web site forums a few months ago.

  i hope it helps those working so hard on this subject.

  what is revealed about the societys motivations regarding reporting (or not) of child abuse to secular authorities?

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  The dilema of Uncle onion.

  by uncle_onion in

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  my dilemma.

  those of you who know me personally and via the web will know that i am a studious person.

  now take a look at genesis 36:31. this verse says these were the kings who reigned in edom before any israelite king reigned.. at the time of writing genesis, they were no kings of israel.

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  ICHING

  was the infant jesus ever conscious of his pre human existance whilst laying around in a dirty nappy?

  I-CHING

  Edited by - iching on 17 March 2001 7:32:56
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  "Witnesses revise...end time !

  by MacHislopp in

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  i would like to share this with you:.

  witnesses revise end-time expectations.

  (news brief 13, saturday, january 6, 1996).

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  ICHING

  mac - thanks - it was excellent - more please.

  I-CHING
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  When they come a knockin'..........

  by nicolaou in

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  1. answer the door naked and carrying weaponry.

  (immediate results).

  2. pretend to be the slowest talking person in the world and see how long their spirit of christian charity lasts.. 3. answer every one of their questions with "what do you mean by that?

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  ICHING

  print off one of f iends posts and ask them if they'll study it with you.

  print off one of f iends posts, read it to them and ask them:

  "would the author of these statements be disfellowshipped for apostacy if the elders ever found out he was posting these critiques of the WTBTS on the world wibe web site called jehovas-witness.com?"

  I-CHING
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  Flickering light

  by Norm in

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  have you ever considered this excellent example of how the light flashes and flickers in brooklyn?

  then let us look at the story about the 2,300 evenings and mornings did you know that jehovah makes his official announcements in the watchtower magazine?

  you didnt?

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  ICHING

  norm - theirs is flickering - yours is shining brilliantly.

  I-CHING
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  Child Molestation

  by Friend in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  following is a slightly improved version of something i posted onto various web site forums a few months ago.

  i hope it helps those working so hard on this subject.

  what is revealed about the societys motivations regarding reporting (or not) of child abuse to secular authorities?

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  ICHING

  i'm starting to see how all this fits together:

  EVIL Inc.

  a screenplay in progress.

  by I-CHING

  EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN HOME- FRONTDOORSTEP - DAY

  ANGLES -

  a mans hand knocking on the front door

  An eye through the frontdoor peephole looks out at us.

  The door opens to reveal -

  A woman in her fifties - still in her pink dressing gown - freshly lit cigarette dangling between her lips - copy of the Draffenville Chronicle in her hand.

  WIDE - the man that knocked at the door - a Jehovahs Witness - (BROTHER FRIEND) - dressed in a suit that went out of style back when Gramps was kneehigh to a grasshopper - a suitcase(witnessing bag) in his left hand - awakes , watchtowers and what looks to be Tom Edisons phonogram prototype - in his right - he has his back to us.

  WOMAN

  What do you want?

  BROTHER FRIEND

  Good Morning Madam we're calling on our neighbour ……….

  WOMAN

  (interupting)

  she shoves the newspaper into Bro Friends face angrily pointing to the headline

  Wait a minute - you're not one of those pedophile protecting Jehovahs Witnesses they were talking about on the front page of the paper today are you?

  INSERT: CLOSE ON - FRONTPAGE HEADLINE - DRAFFENVILLE CHRONICLE -

  Ex- JW Blows Lid on Pedophile Protection Racket Within Church.

  BROTHER FRIEND

  What is revealed about the Society’s motivations regarding reporting (or not) of child abuse to secular authorities?

  INSERT - CLOSE ON WOMANS FACE

  SOUND - Brother Friends monotonous drone continues BG.

  The drone of Bro Friends voice and content of his message has a somnolent effect - the woman begins nodding off - standing - cigarette still dangling from between her lips - the draffenville chronicle slips from her fingers and falls to the floor.

  BACK ON -

  BROTHER FRIEND

  (continues monotonously)

  It is revealed that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within JW circles. It is revealed that though a sexual predator of children is a threat to an entire community the Society still prefers to keep knowledge of such a person’s conduct privileged. It is revealed that this is a deplorable act, an act of selfishness on the part of the Society.
  As a religious guide the question the Society must answer is this: Is it right to provide reports of known child abuse to the secular authorities? An additional question is: Is it right to provide reports of suspected child abuse to secular authorities? The Society’s actions demonstrate that they do think it is right to make such reports but they do not apply that conclusion uniformly. What does that mean?
  There is perhaps no argument that one single policy from the Society could practically and uniformly deal with reports of child abuse. Why is that?

  CUT TO:

  INT. PLUSH BOARDROOM - EVIL Inc. - DAY

  12 old men (the EVIL Inc. board of fascists) in wheelchairs sit at a long table - all are hooked to some elaborate form of life support system or another - each has a copy of a newspaper - The Draffenville Chronicle placed on the table before them.

  CLOSE ON - FRONTPAGE HEADLINE - DRAFFENVILLE CHRONICLE -

  Ex- JW Blows Lid on Pedophile Protection Racket Within Church.

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  ANGLE UP ON - at the head of the table - a withered white prune of a man

  On the old man - WIDER - buried beneath piles of blankets - his wheelchair a mobile crossbreed of iron lung/cryogenic capsule - obviously THE PRESIDENT of EVIL Inc. - he begins to speak through The Tube in his throat.

  CLOSE ON - The Tube - President of Evil Inc.'s arthritic ridden finger enters frame to activate The Tubes on/off switch to ON.

  EVIL Inc. President Voice Over (VO)

  (voice sounds like he's gargling razor blades)

  Do any of you morons realize the impact this is going to have on magazine sales for the next six months?

  CUT TO:

  EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN HOME- FRONTDOORSTEP - SAME

  BROTHER FRIEND

  (continues monotonous drone)

  It is because protection and justice from community to community differs sometimes so significantly that how moral people respond to that authority must differ. For example, some governments and communities in this wide world are prone to executing first and investigating second—if at all. Understandably, in such communities moral people are far more reluctant to report suspected cases of child abuse

  SOUND - BACKGROUND - snoring begins - also we can hear a fly buzzing around .

  BROTHER FRIEND

  cont.

  …….or even cases that are somewhat evidenced but not evidenced decisively to the levelheaded and reasonable person. But the Society’s actions do not stem from potential injustice or lack of protection from secular authorities. How do we know that?
  Circumstances in the United States actually illustrate well that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence, but its actions in that nation also betray the Society’s real incentive, which incentive has nothing whatsoever to do with what is best for children. In the United States it is true that laws addressing child abuse vary from state to state. Nevertheless among secular authorities throughout that nation the prudence, protection and justice provided stemming from reported child abuse is pretty uniform in that protection and justice is generally the same from one jurisdiction to another from state to state. But, in the United States admittedly the Society’s action of reporting (or not) of child abuse has nothing whatsoever to do with a jurisdiction’s protective, investigative and/or prosecutorial record and everything to do with penal code! (And not one of those codes prohibits elders [clergy] from reporting known child abuse) That is why the Society tells some elder bodies to report known child abuse and others that they need not report. The question becomes, why would the Society direct elders to report in some jurisdictions but not in other jurisdictions with everything else being equal in terms of protection and justice afforded? There is only one answer and it is the one given above. The Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence.

  INSERT WOMANS FACE - fast asleep - cigarette has burned down to a butt.

  BACK ON:

  BROTHER FRIEND

  cont.

  If the Society felt otherwise then they would insist that elder bodies act uniformly by reporting known and suspected child abuse throughout the United States and other jurisdictions having a reasonably similar record of prudence, protection and justice from law enforcement authorities. At the very least the Society would explicitly encourage that victims report this insidious crime! The Society has already demonstrated that reporting known and suspected child abuse is not in violation of any Biblical tenets because in jurisdictions requiring such reporting they tell elders to comply with those reporting laws. So, if there is no Biblical violation then why not report uniformly (or at least actively encourage that victims report) when protection and enforcement is reasonably equal? Again, there is only one reason and it is one having to do with an ill-conceived notion of preservation . Just what they are trying to preserve is not all that difficult to determine. What is the object of that ill-conceived preservation?
  If theirs was some legitimate Biblical concern about protecting the reputation of God’s name, Jehovah (as if we need to protect Him!), or meeting some Biblical requirement then the Society would have to uniformly either prohibit or require reporting, but that is not what it has done. By instructing some elders to comply with penal code that requires reporting the Society has in essence said, it is morally okay to report these cases. So, if it is moral then why not uniformly report when all else is reasonably equal? The only object of preservation left becomes a selfish one.
  By its deplorable action the Society has demonstrated that it is less concerned with the real and day-to-day interests of helpless and innocent children than it is with its own instrumentational viability......

  SOUND - BG - the womans snoring is getting louder - fly still buzzing.

  BROTHER FRIEND

  (continues monotonous drone)

  ....the internal strife and anger on this issue runs deep and it is heating up! The Society should have listened to its battery of lawyers years ago when they advised a uniform policy of reporting child abuse when protection and justice is reasonable expected.
  Why did the Society want those letters reproduced on this and other forums held in such strict confidence? Because they betray the Society’s self-interest gained at the expense of children and their families! In the end their interests will suffer over this and other issues.
  That is quite a smoking gun, and it is undeniable! In fact, in recent weeks the Society’s own attorneys have admitted (apparently without thinking through it very well as attorneys) that the Society’s policies have been far too inadequate because they have admitted to knowing of botched cases in spite of policies in place, which policies include the matter of training and verification of understanding stemming from that training (or lack of). How else could they claim to know of cases where elders ‘did not follow directions’ without it being de facto admission of known inadequacy on the part if the Society’s representatives and therefore bad policy? The problem with the sort of inadequacies spoken of here is that it should take only a very few cases (perhaps just one!) to realize a flaw in the system (policy) and correct it. This has not happened in the obvious ways it needs to be done in relation to reporting incidents to legitimate authorities. One problem the Society will face is the potentially huge numbers who will be willing to come forth and testify to this lack and do so with one voice. That number will certainly be more than just a few, in fact it already is.
  Just how deep the Society will yet mire itself in this sordid affair is yet to be seen, but what lay ahead will become even more untenable and nasty unless some major change is enacted by decision-makers at Brooklyn Bethel on a number of key issues into compliance with that which is sound and moral based upon the Bible, most importantly in those issues involving blood and child abuse.

  INSERT WOMANS FACE - still in the land of nod - a fly is walking all over her face.

  CUT TO:

  ANGLES -

  The suitcase - open on the front doorstep - contains every volume of Studies in the Sciptures - old 78 rpm records - a well worn copy of the elders manual - copy of LAW for DUMMIES.

  Dejected Brother Friend tosses the awake and watchtower magazines he's holding into the suitcase.

  BROTHER FRIEND

  mumbling incoherent revenge consolations to himself with talk of this property acqusition post armageddon.

  EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN STREET/SIDEWALK - SAME

  Brother Friend makes his way down the front footpath of the house.

  INSERT - CLOSE ON - the snapping rabid fangs of a demon possesed pitbull terrier.

  ANGLES - WIDE - midway down footpath - the demon possesed pitbull springs from behind a bush and clamps it's vice like jaw around Brother Friends throat - knocking Brother Friend to the ground - the suitcase flies open - dropped phonogram smashes to smithereens - Woman still dozing BG at front door.

  BROTHER TAKETHELEAD - (an 11 year old kid) - and SISTER FIRSTDAYINFIELD - (claudia schiffer lookalike) - enter frame - walking down the sidewalk.

  BROTHER TAKETHELEAD

  (to sister firstday)

  ….and did you did you notice the new light that was being brought out by the society in paragraph 86 of chapter 251 of the Happiness How to Cope With It book at the book study last………

  he notices the mauling taking place in the front yard of the house

  (to Brother Friend)

  Brother Friend, you're aware that Society Policy on field service reporting cannot include time spent playing Dr Doolittle with the householders pets?

  CLOSE ON - Brother Friend

  attempting a poor Hulk Hogan imitation on the dog to no avail - the dog is making the shark from JAWS look like Flipper the dolphin.

  BROTHER FRIEND

  AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  NOTE: This is a work in progress and is subject to revision at any time.

  I-CHING

  Edited by - iching on 17 March 2001 6:32:20