What does the Religious Christendom means to you ?
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Religious Christendom's Heavy Blood Guilt!
by wannabe inreligious christendom's heavy blood guilt!.
to pair the word hate with christian, would really be foriegn to the hearer of that combination of words, wouldn't it?
that would certainly be nothing the founder of christianity would be guilty of, would it?
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How do you FOR SURE jw's Do not have the truth?
by whatistruth ini personally believe they do not, but what solid evidence can you provide me so i can try to convince others?.
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wantingtruth
It is written "the truth ... came through Jesus"
then , let's compare -- when does Jesus says his Kingdom starts in Heavens ?
and ... (if you remember..) -- whend does the Jw's say Jesus started reigning in Heavens ?
the answer will say if the Jw's have "all truth"
wantingtruth
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Real Peace and Security-When? Outline !!!
by yknot ina wonderful darling man was so kind as to anonymously pm this to be shared with the board...... consider it 'food at the proper time'.
kudos for anony-brother.
for actual outline.... http://www.sendspace.com/file/o58i6h.
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wantingtruth
********** When They Are Saying "Peace and Security!" ********************
where is to happen/take place this event ? in the world , or within God's people ?
Jesus brought something new (from His and ours Father ) : the knowledge of the Father's purpose and will :
to HAVE worshippers "with spirit and with truth"
a worshipper "with spirit" is that one who observe strictly the will of the Father in each action , because the Father is the Spirit
Father has commanded us to obey His Son :"This is my beloved Son, Listen to Him !"
And the Son said : "Your word is TRUTH "
Jesus knew Father's clearly expressed "will" regarding the time and the frame of "end-time prophecies" ,
as it were declared to Daniel ( cpt 10 )
14. "Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen
-- to your people
-- in the latter days,
for the vision pertains to the days yet future."
So, it is very clear , Jesus conformed Himself to Father's will , and everything he preached from old prophecies , He put it in relations with "God's people" !
His apostles followed Him in this way , because this means to "abidel" or to "remain" in the Teaching of Christ !
The only way to HAVE BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON !
2 John
9. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God;
the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
WHEN apostle Paul wrote the inspired words in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 , he surely knew Father's will toward Jesus' followers , and acted accordingly !
SO , the cry "Peace and security" MUST HAVE ITS FULFILMENT >>within<< God's people , at the end of the "latter days"
WHO are THEY who cry "peace and security" ?
They are some who " had been of us ... but they were not really of us" !
1 John 2
19. They went out from us, but they were not really of us;
for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us;
but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
Who are "of us" the apostle John is speaking about here ?
.."of us" are the anointed brothers of Christ , the co-followers with apostle John , who all where "abiding" in the Teaching of Christ !
... and those who "were not really of us" are those called "weeds" , workers of LAWLESSNESS , who "will secretly introduce destructive heresies" ...
2 Peter 2
1. But false prophets also arose among the people (of God ), just as there will also be false teachers among you,
who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them,
bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
SO , these ones who " had been of us ... but they were not really of us" CONSTITUTES themselves in the group called "FALSE PROPHET"
LET us find what was prophecised regarding these "false prophets"
Jeremiah 23
16. Thus says the LORD of hosts,
"Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you
They are leading you into futility;
They speak a vision of their own imagination,
Not from the mouth of the LORD.
17. "They keep saying to those who despise Me,
'The LORD has said, "YOU WILL HAVE PEACE "';
And as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart,
They say, 'Calamity will not come upon you.' [YOU WILL HAVE SECURITY]
DO we understand now WHAT the cry "peace and security" IS ?
This CRY come from these prophets JEHOVAH DID NOT SENT THEM !
They are (TODAY) desperately TRYING TO ASSURE >>those believing THE LIE<< (despising Jehovah / walking in the stubbornness of his own heart ) THAT THEY WILL HAVE PEACE AND SECURITY if they will continue to follow the FALSE PROPHETS who set themselves as "god" in God's Temple !
BUT SUDDEN DESTRUCTION IS TO BE INSTANTLY UPON THEM !wantingtruth
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Which Jerusalem was Luke referring to
by wannabe in{matthew 24:9,22} revelation 12:17} {hebrews 11:32-40}.
they have been trampled on now for almost six thousand years.
{luke 4:5-8} {revelation 13:1}.
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wantingtruth
As for the invislbe presence of Christ in the year 1914 is also out of line with scripture, because reasoning on three scriptures in the Bible, tells us Jesus has been crowned as King ever since his ascension in the first Century. One scripture by itself tells us that. When immediately prior to his ascension he told his Eleven Apostles: "All Authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." {Matthew 28:18} He was telling them that he held that Authority even before he ascended. Think about it for a moment. In what capacity did he hold that Authority in Heaven and on earth? Wasn't it as a crowned King? I'm not saying an ACTIVE RULING KING. I'm saying just holding the title as one, but as yet inactive. Paul at Ephesians 1:15-23 and Philippians 2:5-11 backs that thought up 100 percent. He was to sit at his Fathers right hand until his Father made his enemies a footstool for his feet the Psalm says. My belief is now, he is sitting there a crowned King, just Waiting for his Father to tell him to, "Go subduing in the midst of your enemies." I know it sounds way out in left field, but its really not me saying it; the Bible is saying it if you look at it close enough. {Psalm 110:1,2} {Daniel 12:1} The Christ has been invisibly present ever since the first Century.
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-- As for the invislbe presence of Christ in the year 1914 is also out of line with scripture, == it is true !
--"All Authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." {Matthew 28:18} He was telling them that he held that Authority even before he ascended. Think about it for a moment. In what capacity did he hold that Authority in Heaven and on earth? Wasn't it as a crowned King? I'm not saying an ACTIVE RULING KING. === partially true ! WHY ? we are wrong if consider the Heavens "together" with the earth !
There was NOTHING to stop/restrain Jesus from using all His authority in Heavens as an ACTIVE RULER KING !!
God's declarations in Psalm 110:1,2 and even Psalm 2 DOES REFERRES to the earth, not Heavens !
This truth is also observed if we pay attention to the prayer Jesus taught us :
10. Your kingdom come
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven. / yes , as it was then in Heaven (Jesus ruling using ALL HIS POWER without restrictions ) so to be on earth !Please , wannabe , attention is required .
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Where do we go when we die?
by wannabe inwhere do we go when we die?.
there are many very confusing concepts about this subject.
about where we go when we die, and no one i've found to date has really set forth a satisying answer to this question; so i thought i might just employ some of the knowledge i've gained from my own thirty year study of the bible.. where actually would be the most sensible place to begin when dealing with this subject?
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wantingtruth
I absolutely agree
dear wannabe ...
friendly,
wanting...
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Who are the Chosen Ones? Where are they now?
by wannabe inwho are the chosen ones?
we know that when jesus gave the sign that would be occurring throughout the period known as the last days, he foretold many false prophets and told us not to believe or follow any one of them.
among these false prophets he foretold one that would resemble so closely the true chosen ones, that they might possibly misdlead even the ones who actually were of that number.
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wantingtruth
I am sorry I can't be short and comprehensive in english , but I have tried here .
And "logically" it is following this post .
wantingtruth
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Who are the Chosen Ones? Where are they now?
by wannabe inwho are the chosen ones?
we know that when jesus gave the sign that would be occurring throughout the period known as the last days, he foretold many false prophets and told us not to believe or follow any one of them.
among these false prophets he foretold one that would resemble so closely the true chosen ones, that they might possibly misdlead even the ones who actually were of that number.
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wantingtruth
Wannabe . let us hear some important words from Jehovah :
Deuteronomy 31 :
19."Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel.
20. "For when I bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and are satisfied and become prosperous, then they will turn to other gods and serve them, and spurn Me and break My covenant.
21. "Then it shall come about, when many evils and troubles have come upon them, that this song will testify before them as a witness (for it shall not be forgotten from the lips of their descendants); for I know their intent which they are developing today, before I have brought them into the land which I swore."
22. So Moses wrote this song the same day, and taught it to the sons of Israel.
The Song is in chapter 32 verses 1- 43 .Now we read again
Revelation 15 :
3. And they sang the song of Moses, the bond-servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying,
"Great and marvelous are Your works,
O Lord God, the Almighty;
Righteous and true are Your ways,
King of the nations!4"Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name?
For You alone are holy;
For ALL THE NATIONS WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOU,
FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS HAVE BEEN REVEALED."
==============================================I am relly well impressed how you draw close to the truth .
For this very reason , because you might be interested in Jehovah's prophecies ,
I invite you to listen to Jehovah's word and to learn the Song of Moses (to study it ) , then God will give to you (through His Spirit ) the "light" that come out of this SONG !
It is important to you - as you "wannabe" a member of His People !
When Jehovah's people have gone wandering , He sent Isaiah to tell them to go to the original "testimony" (because it has the value God Himself decided for it )
Isaiah 8 :
20. To the law and to the testimony !
If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.
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Psalm 119 :
130. The unfolding of Your wordsgives light; It gives understandingto the simple.wantingtruth
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Christs invisible Presence! When would it begin?
by wannabe inin his fathers eyes he was already a ruling king.
17"as it is written: "i have made you a father of many nations.
god exalted him to the highest place.
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You will need to present evidence that A) Psalm 110:1,2 are referring prophetically to the Messiah; B) That if A is true, then that scripture was NOT fulfilled upon Christ's resurrection, since a month or so AFTERWARDS he said, "ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH."
Mad Sweeney,
surely Psalm 110:1,2 referres to Messiah , and it doesn't contradict what Jesus said after his resurrection "ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH."
The Kingdom of Heavens does not depend by the kingdom over earth , but viceversa is true !
So , Jesus could exercise His recenlty received authority "IN HEAVEN" imediately , without restriction ,
while regarding earth (only) He had to "wait until..." Father will command to Him to start reigning "in the midst of his enemies" - that is, on earth !
It is not complicated , at all .
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Christs invisible Presence! When would it begin?
by wannabe inin his fathers eyes he was already a ruling king.
17"as it is written: "i have made you a father of many nations.
god exalted him to the highest place.
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Wantingtruth!
Here's a little truth for you wanting: Read Psalm 110:1,2 Jehovah had told Jesus: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a stool for your feet." That's why Jesus wouldn't use his authority in heaven. He was too busy obeying his Fathers command to "SIT." He wouldn't "STAND UP" until told to. Daniel 12:1 "Go Subuduing in the midst of your enemies." Were the words he is waiting to hear, before becoming operational as Ruling King. WannabeWannabe,
first i thank you because you responded to me
secondly , I renew my invitation to you, to read my post at the provided link in my previous post, because you did not read it , or you did not understood what I have written there .
Please take into consideration what Jehovah meant by commanding to us "this is My beloved Son ... , Listen to Him!"
and then you will understand better !
Anyway , I am glad for your spiritual journey !
Wantingtruth
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Christs invisible Presence! When would it begin?
by wannabe inin his fathers eyes he was already a ruling king.
17"as it is written: "i have made you a father of many nations.
god exalted him to the highest place.
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wantingtruth
WHY COULD NOT START JESUS REIGN IN HEAVEN BEFORE STARTING REIGNING OVER EARTH ?
WHERE DOES SAY IN THE BIBLE THAT CHRIST WAS NOT ALLOWED TO USE HIS AUTHORITY IN HEAVENS , WITHOUT USING IT ALSO ON EARTH ?
Wannabe , please give your attention to the Teaching of Christ !
...because Jehovah is a God of order ...
wantingtruth.