a new slant on the appointed times of the nations!.
if you look at genesis 3:15 where jehovah told satan: "i shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed, he will bruise you in the head, and you will bruise him in the heel.
" {matthew 24:9 nlt}.
Hello wannabe !
you should observe that the "The Appointed Times Of The Nations" are part of a prophecy regarding the "latter days"
and also , it had to happen within "God's people'
both the members of the "New" Jerusalem and "the Nations" are within "God's people"
take a look at the chronology of the latter days
robson, welcome !
you said I will do my own research
-- you may also check here
greetings to all
there are a lot of thread s and arguments around the 587/607 issue, it can be a bit confusing, and for those of us still in, like me, to help others, it would not be a topic i would choose first.
it was something i found out, after i awakened, before i simply brushed it aside, as something like worldly chronology against biblical chronology.
imho to be ready for this issue, you have to be awake first, unless you are a real history buff... anyway, there may be another take on this matter:.
anyway, back to 1914: Will be interesting , if it still will be highlighted that much, when 100 year anniversary comes, or will it be replaced ? maybe great tribulation already started invisibly ? or something like that ? Time will tell....its only 4 more years to go...
the "great tribulation" is not over the WT society, nor over its leaders
while "the world" caused and still causes always tribulations over the ( true) Christians , the (biblical) Great Tribulation is a special tribulation over "the people of saints" , only they are "feeling" it ; and it is caused by the "weeds" or the Man of Lawlessness during the time he is ruling in the Temple as god !
so, while the "wheat" is together with the "weeds" , only the wheat is under the tribulation , and the weeds are the oppressors !
there are a lot of thread s and arguments around the 587/607 issue, it can be a bit confusing, and for those of us still in, like me, to help others, it would not be a topic i would choose first.
it was something i found out, after i awakened, before i simply brushed it aside, as something like worldly chronology against biblical chronology.
imho to be ready for this issue, you have to be awake first, unless you are a real history buff... anyway, there may be another take on this matter:.
inbetween,
try to understand what Jesus taught
and then you will see the futility of 587/607 discussions
is there any jehovah's witness who can answer these questions about 1914?.
can you demonstrate, using the holy scriptures, that the messianic kingdom was established in 1914, that jesus got the full legal right to become king that year, and that jesus returned invisibly in 1914, and that the "last days" began that year?.
1:) no encyclopedia, no history book, and no archaeology book that i have ever seen have ever said that nebuchadnezzar destroyed jerusalem and the temple in the year 607 bce.
A witness will try to use Rev 12 to prove that immediately after Satan has lost the battle in Heavens , he was hurled down on earth and caused the WW1 ... and the outbreak of the ww1 is the proof !
BUT Rev 12 cannot be used that way , because it is against the teaching of Christ !
wantingtruth
how long has the christ been invisibly present?.
i don't know as i have covered this one before or not, but can't we say that jesus has been invisibly present ever since his ascension in the first century?
didn't he indicate that he was in this following scripture?.
Hello wannabe ,
it seems we agree in many things !
My lack of english prevents me to express many things I would to.
Blessings !
the greek word parousia!
how should it be translated?.
i say, that because it can be applied to presence; which the governing body who does have an ax to grind, would jump on; and apply it, as they have to the thirteen occurrences, where it appears in their new world translation bible.. as i said, it can be applied to their teaching that the christ was invisibly present in the year 1914, but according to the information i found, that application is incorrect.
presence...coming...
I am not a scholar, at all
but that I can understand when I study the Bible...
wannabe , I am glad to meet you !
greetings !
now, i know that the 2012 issue has been blown out of proportion.
and i know all the reasons that believing in them are wrong.
but has anyone else noticed a growth in this type of conversation?
Don't get me wrong I DO NOT believe in the 2012 prophecies. And I hope you were joking in your post and the link, wantingtruth.
you are welcome , bd.
also me , I do not believe in the "2012 prophecies"
instead, I believe YHWH's word which is truth
and, when I speak truth , I do not joke
greetings
now, i know that the 2012 issue has been blown out of proportion.
and i know all the reasons that believing in them are wrong.
but has anyone else noticed a growth in this type of conversation?
Brotherdan,
God didn't tell us when the end of this world will be ,
but through Biblical chronology found in inspired prophecies, He tells us when certain events - taking place within His people, during the "latter days"- will be , I mean, events that marks Christ's "coming"
and around 2012 a certain event will be , that is , the "70 years of Babylon" will come to end ,
and His worshipers with "spirit and truth" , who were/are prisoners in Babylon (and at the "Daughter of Babylon" ) will be made free and gathered in "one flock" under the Jesus Christ authority
see Jeremiah 29:10-14
for those "studious" Christians I recommend this theme
wantingtruth
so i was talking to one of my "apologist" friends, and he just got back from a mormon outreach mission in utah.
he was able to help a 17 year old mormon girl to begin to see the truth and was really excited about it.
he goes to these temple conventions and temple openings all the time to preach jesus to them.. so he was interested in doing that at a jw convention.
2 timothy 3:7.
"always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
".
The leaders of WT fit right the "daughter of Babylon's way of thinking described in Isaiah 47 !
read it .
wantingtruth
