"With whom, then, will you compare God ?
To what image will you liken him? ” Isaiah 40:18
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Who are these questions addressed to ?
Of course to all those inclined to idolatry, because people have always tended to use various forms of worship, in which they have made many gods.
It is noteworthy that not only those who make a carved or cast face that they use in worship are to be condemned, but also those who, although they call JEHOVAH as their God, still ran after foreign gods.
The doctrine that leads us to believe that only those who were God's people in ancient times were idolaters is totally wrong!
Why?
Because it is clearly shown in the Scriptures that in the last days idolatrous abominations would be worshiped! Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15.
The Scriptures show that such things would happen to God's people in the last days, and it says, "There you will worship man-made gods." "When you are in distress and all these things have happened to you, then in later days...” (Deuteronomy 4:28a,30).
Related to this, Scripture speaks of the fact that in the Temple would be set up in those times the "adversary", who would pretend to be God (that is, would raise claims to be the sole knower and holder of biblical truth)! 2 Thessalonians 2:4
This intruder "would rise, glorify himself," above all gods, "and would prosper until a certain time" (Daniel 11:36), deceiving the inhabitants of the earth (Revelation 13:14). .
Of course, many were drawn into the race to worship him and his organized system (the beast), becoming worshipers of the beast !
So here it is with whom do some men compare God, they who condemn those who worship "the carved images, and the molten images" -literally!
Are not they more guilty for resembling the "slave-class" with the One who did all things? Romans 1:22, 23.
-- But by the way, are you sure that you do not compare Jehovah to anyone?
- The Reaper.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations
by IWant2Know ini would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?
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"With whom, then, will you compare God ?
To what image will you liken him? ” Isaiah 40:18
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Who are these questions addressed to ?
Of course to all those inclined to idolatry, because people have always tended to use various forms of worship, in which they have made many gods.
It is noteworthy that not only those who make a carved or cast face that they use in worship are to be condemned, but also those who, although they call JEHOVAH as their God, still ran after foreign gods.
The doctrine that leads us to believe that only those who were God's people in ancient times were idolaters is totally wrong!
Why?
Because it is clearly shown in the Scriptures that in the last days idolatrous abominations would be worshiped! Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15.
The Scriptures show that such things would happen to God's people in the last days, and it says, "There you will worship man-made gods." "When you are in distress and all these things have happened to you, then in later days...” (Deuteronomy 4:28a,30).
Related to this, Scripture speaks of the fact that in the Temple would be set up in those times the "adversary", who would pretend to be God (that is, would raise claims to be the sole knower and holder of biblical truth)! 2 Thessalonians 2:4
This intruder "would rise, glorify himself," above all gods, "and would prosper until a certain time" (Daniel 11:36), deceiving the inhabitants of the earth (Revelation 13:14). .
Of course, many were drawn into the race to worship him and his organized system (the beast), becoming worshipers of the beast !
So here it is with whom do some men compare God, they who condemn those who worship "the carved images, and the molten images" -literally!
Are not they more guilty for resembling the "slave-class" with the One who did all things? Romans 1:22, 23.
-- But by the way, are you sure that you do not compare Jehovah to anyone?
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ExJW from La France !
by jwrogue1914 inlong time lurker here.
i've been out for 8 years this very month.
today is an important date for me because i'm posting on this forum for the first time and i just post my first video on youtube yesterday (channel : jw rogue) the channel is in french but you can activate the subtiles.
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Welcome!
I am glad to find that you are still a Christian ... a Christian is one who obey Father and His King, Jesus Christ.
I have the pleasure to recommend you some French quotes from Bible ..
~~~... Protège ton cœur - Pourquoi? ...~~~(click on words above )
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spirit directed organization
by enoughisenough ini was watching a video about wt and money and the "brother" refers to the "spirit directed organization.
" he also says they use donations wisely and modestly.
are the gb so deluded and therefore their followers?
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I recommend reading Isaiah 47. The word of God speaks here about the "daughter of Babylon", which is in our days the "organization" of Jws under the leadership of her "slave"(fds) leaded by de spirit of babylon ...
See from Bible how God is addresing (speaking) to her ...let's read verse 12 ...
“Persist now in your spells And in your many sorceries
With which you have labored from your youth; Perhaps you will be able to benefit,
Perhaps you may cause trembling."----------
“Persist, then, [daughter of Babylon] in your enchantments And your many sorceries
With which you have labored from your youth; Perhaps you will be able to profit [from them],
Perhaps you may prevail and cause trembling." ... Amplified B.-----------------
We may see that God calls/names "SORCERIES" and enchantments all his changing "new" light and way of speaking .
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Strange e-mail from Romania
by jakes ini received this strange e-mail from romania.
to worship god in spirit , it means to have the understanding of his word , in spirit .
what is the truth ?
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"At midnight, a people totters and perishes.
The mighty perish, without the intervention of the hand of any man."
Job 34:20
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The expression 'at midnight' reminds us of JEHOVAH's action against the Egyptians in ancient times.
Then He struck all the first-born of the Egyptians, including Pharaoh's first-born.
Job was inspired to prophetically write these words that I quoted above, regarding an action that JEHOVAH would undertake in the end times. Not with regard to Satan, because he is not perishing now, but will only be bound,
but with regard to the 'man of lawlessness' (Pharaoh), who is indeed destined to perish.
And not only with regard to him, but also with regard to his people, which consists of all those who are faithful to him!
This Pharaoh of our times is that 'mighty' that Job speaks of here, and of which the inspired Isaiah showed that he would be dispossessed of the prey he had taken, namely the "saints" (who were overcome by the "horn" !) Isaiah 49:25; Daniel 7:21.
It should be remembered that these actions that lead to the loss of the 'strong one' and the 'people who waver' (Isaiah 19:14) take place without intervention, without "the intervention of any human hand".
Presenting the identity of the "man of lawlessness" from another angle, JEHOVAH inspired the prophet Isaiah to write:
"And the Assyrian shall fall slain by a sword, but not of a man:..." Isaiah 31:8.
-- Do you believe these things? Do you have the power to 'see' them?
- The Reaper. (Daily text of December 17, 2005).
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Strange e-mail from Romania
by jakes ini received this strange e-mail from romania.
to worship god in spirit , it means to have the understanding of his word , in spirit .
what is the truth ?
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"He brings princes to nothing,
and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.
Isaiah 40:23
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Here is what we read in the Bible book of Daniel about a great action by Jehovah:
"He changes times and circumstances; he overthrows and makes kings; ..." (Daniel 2:21).
How does JEHOVAH change 'times and circumstances'?
First of all, it is necessary to know that He acts in accordance with the decisions He has made beforehand, seeing clearly what is to come (Isaiah 46:10a).
In connection with this, it is then necessary to understand that in connection with these decisions, JEHOVAH clarifies things at the time appointed by Him, that is, before it happens, He reveals to His messengers, through His Holy Spirit, the 'mystery' of those things.
Of course, this is necessary because prophetic things are 'hard to understand' and the human mind can only understand and comprehend them through the divine revelation given by JEHOVAH by His Spirit.
"He reveals what is deep and hidden; ..." Daniel 2:22a.
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Hidden things were also those related to the true biblical identity of the "man of lawlessness."
Although some 'parties' of 'witnesses' talk about that intruder, they cannot prove at all that JEHOVAH had revealed to them the true identity of that intruder.
But there is enough evidence that in the pages of the brochure "The Reaper" the biblical true identity of that intruder was proved biblically, from the first issue of this brochure.
Of course, this was not accomplished by human power, but by the revelation made by JEHOVAH by His Holy Spirit.
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Now it is understood what 'princes' and 'judges' are really about.
Thus, it is now understood that the 'princes of Zoan' in Isaiah 19:11 are those princes we read about in Isaiah 10:8, about whom the Assyrian (the "man of iniquity" - the 'head' of the religious organization of witnesses) says:
"Are not my princes all of them kings?"
It is now understood, then, that these 'princes' are those to whom the 'Assyrian' (the king of the north in Daniel's prophecy) has given authority over many - Daniel 11:39.
The same is true of those who have called themselves leaders of various groups of witnesses, who unjustifiably have the false claim that they represent the "remnant."
Likewise, as far as 'judges' are concerned, let us understand that the authority given to them obliges them to work according to the justice of Jehovah.
But they don't work like that !!
That's why they will all be reduced to 'nothing' !!
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Strange e-mail from Romania
by jakes ini received this strange e-mail from romania.
to worship god in spirit , it means to have the understanding of his word , in spirit .
what is the truth ?
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1) Are you saying that Jehovah's witnesses are The exclusive people of Jehovah as were the Israelites in Moses day?
the answer:
-- Not only the Jws.
The gathering that started with Russel marks the beginning of God's people -- in the "latter days".
The time has approached for God, to bring His Kingdom on earth , and that Kingdom has to start here within a people (of saints), so Jehovah God proceeded to gather His people.
For a certain man , or group of men , to be considered "alive" from God's point of view , they need to "eat" from "Heavenly bread" - John 6:32,33,35.
So , God gave it to them: Psalm 78:24 / 105:40b (prophetically shown here).
What is the Heavenly Bread ? -- It is Jesus' sacrifice together with the correct understanding of how it works (a teaching)!
It implies a correct understanding and knowledge about what is (both) the weakness and willfully sin !
As Jesus teaches, after one's baptism/consecration , that "ransom" cover only weaknesses , while the christian person is commended to "clean" his hearth : see Mark 7:18-23.
All these things listed by Jesus here are willfully sins , and are not forgiven after receiving "the truth"... see Hebrew 10:26!
Jehovah God through His Spirit helped br. Russel to understand this teaching - in 1872 - and so, this is the very year of starting "God's people history" -- a year found not by some kind of chronology , but as a result of the work/action of God !
God used Russel as "a prophet" ... see Hosea 12:13 !
Starting with that time many persons came to a good relation with Jehovah God to do His will, based on a good foundation.
So, from that time, all men that lived according to God's revealed requirement to keep "holy" (1Tess. 4:2,3,6,7,8,.) whether they call themselves Bible Students , Jehovah's Witnesses (included various eastern groups of Jws). or the disfellowshipped ones(still Christians), are God's people !
Now, God was expecting from His people to be "faithful".... Isaiah 63:8-10 !
But they were NOT! ... it happens like this : read Deuteronomy 32:15/ Hosea 11:1,2...5,7,
Therefore Jehovah God decided to punish them - it is a manifestation of His RIGHTEOUSNESS! - see: Isaiah 66:18 / Jeremiah 5:29 /Deut. 32:19-21...
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2) Are you saying that Russell and Rutherford were true sons of the Kingdom ?
the answer :
-- Russel and Rutherford had a heart that loved God, and they never taught others to sin wilfully , in spite of having many weaknesses , specially Rutherford .
Jehovah God speaks right: Isaiah 43:27,28 !
The main sin that God charges the two is : Jeremiah 2:12,13. Yes , they did not wait for Jehovah in giving the "food", but they mixed the teaching received by Holy Spirit with their own conclusions...
So , a lot of teachings such as "the chronology" (the way to find these years like 1914, 1925, 1975 etc.), piramydology , natural Israel as God's people , God's earthly organization , etc,etc,... are NOT biblically and NOT from God !
But because Jehovah God uses them to give food and warnings to His people, and they have not broken the covenant, He shows us they are forgiven through Christ sacrifice./YHWH considered they had a good/clean heart before Him .
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3) Are you saying that 2 Thess 2 was then fulfilled when a group took control of the bible students and stood in the holy place?
the answer:
-- While Christ was sowing wheat , when "everybody was sleeping" the enemy sowed the weeds!
Starting exactly with Russel , the shepherds of Israel were sleeping regarding to ... what is written in Hebrews 12:16,17.
So, persons like Esau were "born" into christian congregation.
They got numerous and became the "opposite side" of truth --the weeds. Because even the wheat sinned against God , He decided "a day" or a period of time to punish His people (the holy ones)
That punishment meant to be : the holy ones had to lose the leadership over God's house and "the Esau house" gained it !
the "7 persons-heads" that took control after Rutherford's death belonged to Edom.. they taught (indirectly) that Christ ransom covers the wilfully sin , that means they took away the continual offering ...see Dan 8:11.
The "holy place: does not mean "the society WT", but refers to the spiritual Temple and the (kind of) worship there.
So , the weeds were already entered or "sown" in the Temple , but when they took control of Society , and so , over God's people , they in fact elevated themselves to the position of "god" according to 2 Tess. 2:4 !
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4) Are you saying that they tampered with the word of God by creating the NWT to mislead the sheep?
the answer :
-- Yes they "adapted" the bible to their purposes !
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5) Are you saying that this group is in fact the "seven headed wild beast" ?
the answer :
-- Yes ,they were 7 "anointed" which proved that have lost their anointment (or have broken the covenant) because of their works , and they became "the 7 heads"....of the beast, but the entire beast include all human - organizational structure that was imposed over God's people all over the earth .
In fact , only people who obeyed and subjected themselves under the leadership of those 7 heads were allowed to be in "positions" in this organization !
they all together are "the body" of the beast.
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6) Are you saying that all those within the WTO have received the mark of the beast by being baptised into the WTO?
the answer :
-- Not by baptism... but by receiving, believing and living according to the erroneous teachings proliferated by this "man of lawlessness" they have received the "mark of the beast"
the worst thing (worse than changing the baptismal vow) the beast did, is removing the Christ sacrifice's meaning, ( "and the continual burnt offering was taken away from him" Dan 8:11 ) , saying and teaching that the wilfully sin is covered by His sacrifice !
All persons believing that , loving that teaching , while they love to play with wilfully sin (and to practice it ) , are those with beast's mark..consciently .
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7) Are you saying that the two annointed witnesess were russell and rutherford and their preaching truth works were stopped by the beast ?
the answer :
-- I don't ! The two witness are two class/groups that compound the body of Christ: the "prophet" and the "priest". both being "wheat".
Geremiah 23:11.
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8 ) Are you saying that the two witnesses (the holy ones) will be soon given the kingdom when they are re-established and the beast is killed ?
the answer :
-- Yes ! the holy ones HAVE (need) first to be cleansed !
and then the kingdom will be done to them! Dan 7:21,22,25,26,27.
they have to be gathered ! Isaiah 11:11 / Ezekiel 36:24,25,...32!
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9) Are you saying that the only people who have any connection with this work are within the WTO ?
the answer :
-- Not only!
But the most of them (the gross number) are there ... at the daughter of Babylon Zech.2:7.
Also there are (some of)Bible Students and others , but it is surely about those who have "eaten" from Heavenly Bread ! (they are those who rightly appreciate what means "be saints because I am saint" as God says.
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10) Do you believe that the wild beast only dominates Gods household rather than the whole of the human race?
the answer :
-- Yes ! They dominate God's house , while deceiving the whole earth saying that they are God's people or chosen ones and Jehovah's unique channel on earth !
They "interposed" themselves between God, His kingdom , and the rest of all humankind , and that happened in a time permitted by God ...
this way they dominated all persons on earth who wanted to approach God and his Kingdom ...
of course , those of humankind who were not interested in serving God , are not part of this picture..
Dear , here is a "body" or a "building" of teaching ! There is a full bible and events to prove it ! Here I used only a few arguments ...
See: Jesus did not tell historical tales to his contemporanes about Egypt , Babilon , or Rome etc,etc, as beying part of the seven world's Powers ... and much history...
but He told them words that implied directly their hearts and their way to worship God , implying their responsibility before God !
Each prophetical part He quoted, He applied it to them, revealing their state of heart before the Father and himself
Today God's people like to tale about political beasts...because that not discover what's inside their heart !
But today is a time to seek God's righteousness, by returning to Christ's teaching, to obey it ! Matthew 17:5.
God's people until now were composed of two "nations": the holy ones or "wheat" , and the "weeds" or wicked ones ... Jeremiah 5:26 / Deut. 32:21.
Jesus said (Matt 24:34) "that nation will not pass till... "
He referred not to "generation" , but to the bad "nation" , the weeds . The wheat will not be able to escape from them (the weeds) until Jehovah will come through His Messenger , (at the second coming) , while all signs will happen! Matthew 24:32.33.
He comes to do the judgement at The Temple and all his people , to refine Jacob's sons , to deliver them from under all Babylonysh slavery and then to give to them the Kingdom !
The wicked nation is that: see Matt 16:4,
the sign of Jonah is , they ( "the evil and adulterous generation") will see when God's spirit comes over the two dead witnesses and they stay up again ! Rev 11:11.
While the wicked nation will be ready for destruction (even named themselves as Jehovah's witness), for the righteous nation today Jehovah is preparing something good ! see Isaiah 26:2 .
" Open the gates, that the [uncompromisingly] righteous nation which keeps her faith and her troth [with God] may enter in." ...
(where ? see Rev 22: 14,15 )
Hope this help a little,
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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DECEMBER 17
"At midnight, a people totters and perishes. The mighty perish, without the intervention of the hand of any man."
Job 34:20
The expression 'at midnight' reminds us of Jehovah's action against the Egyptians in ancient times.
Then He struck all the first-born of the Egyptians, including Pharaoh's first-born.
Job was inspired to prophetically write these words that I quoted above, regarding an action that JEHOVAH would undertake in the end times. Not with regard to Satan, because he is not perishing now, but will only be bound,
but with regard to the 'man of lawlessness' (Pharaoh), who is indeed destined to perish.
And not only with regard to him, but also with regard to his people, which consists of all those who are faithful to him!
This Pharaoh of our times is that 'mighty' that Job speaks of here, and of which the inspired Isaiah showed that he would be dispossessed of the prey he had taken, namely the "saints" (who were overcome by the "horn" !) Isaiah 49:25; Daniel 7:21.
It should be remembered that these actions that lead to the loss of the 'strong one' and the 'people who waver' (Isaiah 19:14) take place without intervention, without "the intervention of any human hand".
Presenting the identity of the "man of lawlessness" from another angle, JEHOVAH inspired the prophet Isaiah to write:
"And the Assyrian shall fall slain by a sword, but not of a man:..." Isaiah 31:8.
-- Do you believe these things? Do you have the power to 'see' them?
- The Reaper.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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Hello Kosonen, nice to see you! How are you?
Now back to quotes, ... should be interesting to see (discern) how Jehovah "brings calamity on this people" , namely His own people, or the "Israel according to spirit"This verse is in accord to what He promises by the Song of Moses, Deuteronomy 32 ....
it would be very good to to see the fulfilment of these expressions of God regarding His "sons and daughters" (the anointed ones) from the time of Bro. Russell until our days ...
The fulfilment of the prophecies within this group of "anointed ones" and those associated with these ones, is what is important before Jehovah, because this is according to "worship with spirit" , and according to the "teaching of Christ" (which teaching is the foundation for the interpretation of prophecies)
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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Hi ! I love prophecies ... let us see Jeremiah 16 ....
16 Thus saith Jehovah, Stand ye in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way; and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls: but they said, We will not walk therein.
17 And I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet; but they said, We will not hearken.
18 Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.
19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words; and as for my law, they have rejected it.
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What are "their thoughts" and what are "the fruits of their thoughts" ?
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