the wt says that if john 1 : 1 said the word is god it would have put the word "ho" before theos.. john 20; 28 refers to christ as ho theos.. john 8: 58 in nwt is "before abraham came into existence i have been" (prin abraham genesthai ego en) but the w&h greek text reads "prin abraham genesthaiego eimi".
there are three footnotes in the three editions of nwt to this:.
"perfect indefinite tense" - is this a greek or hebrew tense?.
ROCKY...there are no Apocrypha for the Orthodox Church...they are defterocanonical Books(second in the Biblical Cannon)since there are more 10 Books in the Old testement. Books that Jesus, Paul, Peter refered to, but the WT never even bothered to see that
Justhuman14 formely known justhuman
the wt says that if john 1 : 1 said the word is god it would have put the word "ho" before theos.. john 20; 28 refers to christ as ho theos.. john 8: 58 in nwt is "before abraham came into existence i have been" (prin abraham genesthai ego en) but the w&h greek text reads "prin abraham genesthaiego eimi".
there are three footnotes in the three editions of nwt to this:.
"perfect indefinite tense" - is this a greek or hebrew tense?.
Point one: WT leaders and writting department DON'T HAVE A CLUE of the Hellenic language. They translated from the English NWT to the Greek instead of taking the original Hellenic test, when they tried to abuse the Greek NWT
Point two: Do you know any Scholar of the Hellenic language(not to mention the Greek Orthodox Church that is amazed by the translation)that they ever agreed with the WT's NWT of the Hellenic Scriptures?
Since I'm Greek and I feel so blessed because I can read the Original text of the Bible in my language, I was always asking how do those "old fools in Brooklyn managed to abuse the meaning of the Original Hellenic text and turn it in to something monsterous...
The Original Hellenic text says: Εν αρχ? ειν ο Λ?γος. Και ο Λ?γος ε?ν παρα το Θε?. Και Θε?ς εστ?ν ο Λ?γος.Translated bellow with the exact words:
Αt the beggining was the Word. And the Word was with God. And God is the Word
one of the issues that really helped me open my eyes to the fallacy of the claims of the "faithful and discreet slave" class is that they have not been right on anything they said would happen in the future.
every instance of "new light" is simply a hindsight adjustment and their attempt to allign the beliefs with what actually is happening or already occurred.
when you examine all of their dates, and what was supposed to happen on them, as well as the generation of 1914 and the date of the sealing of the annointed, etc, etc, can you think of anything the f&ds has accurately foretold by means of "jehovahs" spirit.. don.
It depends how do you define FDS...at the beggining of the WT it was Russell, and half of Joe's president era BS believed that still it was Russell. Then Joe started to be infleuenced by the booze and he really got agry because all BS credit Russell for the FDS. So he tried to change this view and he managed to discredit Russell. During the last half of his domination managed to wipe out Russell's "theology" and changed WT the way it looks today. He didn't actually said that he was the FDS but if anyone that dared to question him, or the teachings that the "angels"gave him, was spiritually eliminated by Booze Jo...
So techinically speaking the idea of the FDS that exist today it was introduced in the mid 70's. So for at least 70 years there was NO FDS the way that WT explains it today.
As for the topic no matter who was wearing the "shoes" of the FDS, ALL FAILED TO FORETOLD A SINGLE EVENT CORRECT.
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last year in my cong (well it's not really "my cong" as i'm just "in" for the sake of family) we had a new "partaker of the emblems".
it came as a shock because this man was only baptized in 2005.. his wife has been a dub from birth.. he was 63 when he got baptized, took "auxilliary" pioneer after 1 month...became a full-time pioneer after a year....became ms after 2years...made an elder 6 months later.....2008 he got "anointed"....we were all surprised at the amount of time he took to climb the jw corporate ladder....rumours are that he donated a car to our po when he (po) lost his job, and some other favours( this man is wealthy).... .
i'm looking forward to be "just an observer" at this year's memorial in my cong (i am thinking of partaking myself, but i sure would rather not,the "bread" is tasteless and the wine is of poor quality,...i don't wanna throw out at the ms serving the emblems)..... back to that man,...how long would it take him to become a gb member?.
Well it seems that if you donate to the WT officials you will have a fast climb to the lader. I recall a wealthy guy who became an elder in just 2 years after he got baptized. He was donating a great amount to the Org!!!
Really nice points Ontario!!! Actually Jw's shouldn't have any "observers" if they claim that they follow Jesus.
The Flesh and Blood of Jesus is something that every Christian should have in their life. I realize this after I became Christian Orthodox. For the Apostolic Church the Wine and the Bread are not just emblems, they are to Flesh and Blood of Jesus, and they are treated with Holyness. Jesus said "touton esti to soma kai to aima mou" THIS IS my body and my Blood.
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i thought rather than everyone start their own topic relating their experience of attending the memorial, we keep it simple and have just one thread.
if anything, it's saves bandwidth.. i will be going to the memorial tonight and will post my experiences afterwards.. all the other memorials i attended, i was an active jw, so this will be my first experience as a submarine witness.
it's weird being on the other side so to speak.
I went to the Memorial this year(just to get rid my mothers complaining that I didn't attend)I feld that I wasted an hour. Same old yada yada. I just can't get it how we are getting benifit from Jesus sacrifice by just attending there!!!I mean will this "ceremony"would make Him happy, seeing all those attendants just passing by the Wine and the Bread?
And another thing, since I'm Greek: How can they translate Jesus words "touton estin" THIS IS, to symbolize. Jesus said THIS IS MY BODY AND THIS IS MY BLOOD, there was no symbolical meaning to this words. That is why for the Orthodox Church the Holy communion is consider to be one of the Mysteries of the Christian Church.
Any how I saw some old friends(that I couldn't talked)and the persons who talked to me were some 'wordly" friends that they happened to attend.
JustHuman14 formely known justhuman
schism happen in romania,, 5000 jw left wts?.
" the true faith of the witnesses of jehovah.".
is real or no.. .
Thanks Blondie...My goodness, I never thought that they could have such a large schisma.
do mormons need to worship joseph smith to gain salvaton?.
"if we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [joseph smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received.
we cannot get around him [joseph smith]" apostle george q. cannon, as quoted in 1988 melchizedek priesthood study guide, p. 142 .
I have go through the Mormon faith. They are more insane from the JW's...just another american cult...
i have an elder friend who is 'open-minded', so to say...he tells me what gets discussed at elder meetings, even though he does'nt give too much detail.. he says that they were instructed by the society not to hurry df'ing publishers, that they should try to reproof (1 timothy 3: 16,17) a sinner,,..that they should be a little considerate bearingf in mind that we are living in critical times of the end.. .
personally i know a few publishers(baptized or not) who now have children out of wedlock, and they were just "marked" or had privileges taken away..... the reason given is: "they realised that they have sinned, and they are fully repented, they gave enough evidence to jc that they want to be known as jw's".
now my question is : are they slowly doing away with the df'ing doctrine?.
WT cannot decline from the disfellowshiped policy. There are too many things at the stake that they cannot risk. They are only trying to shift the blame to the former member who leaves in order to save their asses from leagal issues. In my case there was made an announcement that I'm no longer a Jw. In the judical commitee the elders said to me that we will make an announcement that you are no longer a JW
The best one????
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do you think this will be interesting?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekftp1uqg1o&feature=yva-title.
Will Russell be the director of this movie from heavens
