Posts by JustHuman14

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I feel trapped...I might return to the Borg....

by JustHuman14 in

i have being thinking quite a while before posting.

actually i haven't post for quite a long in the forum and i guess i'm one of the old ones, since i became member since 2001.. after leaving the borg for almost 16 years and disfellowshiped 10 years ago.

you can see my relevant post:.

JustHuman14

Thanks all for your comments, really appreciate it. I have been through a lot of turmoil to take that decision, Well I found a way to get way with all that crap, I read "Crisis of Conscious" at the meetings!!! I love tablets!

Since I have lost complete contact with WT the last 10 years, in fact I have logged into the forum to find out what is the "new light". I thought I could just break free. I really don't know what is the process of the reinstatement, and most of all how long it will take. Does anyone from here knows the time frame for that process. To be honest that is my major concern and I hope is not going to take long.

My dad Diogenesister ( you played nicely with the words for your name) has passed way before I was disfellowshiped. The point with my health is still I'm able to function as I used, but it takes more effort to the things I used to do.

I know how to "play" around with the cult, I have lot of excuses to avoid them and become inactive once more, Plus my work evolves frequent flights at least once a month. My plot is to reinstate, and immediately I will change cong since the current one is far from my place. Then I will use excuses, work and health issues and hope they will leave me in peace.

Again thank you all for your comments

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I feel trapped...I might return to the Borg....

by JustHuman14 in

i have being thinking quite a while before posting.

actually i haven't post for quite a long in the forum and i guess i'm one of the old ones, since i became member since 2001.. after leaving the borg for almost 16 years and disfellowshiped 10 years ago.

you can see my relevant post:.

JustHuman14

I have being thinking quite a while before posting. Actually I haven't post for quite a long in the forum and I guess I'm one of the old ones, since I became member since 2001.

After leaving the Borg for almost 16 years and disfellowshiped 10 years ago. You can see my relevant post:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/167938/my-life-reaching-dead-end-need-way-out

Fast forward I left home and moved to another country that offered me a good job opportunity, and by doing this I have managed to leave behind (as I thought it will WT and all the problems that followed). The pressure of returning back never seems to end. I guess being a son of CO it wasn't acceptable to leave the Borg.

Things became more difficult for me when I found out lately that I have developed a chronic disease and as a result more pressure is put on me to return back, since my family are all in the Borg and they would like to visit me without the restrictions of the shunning policy by the WT. I feel so trapped in the WT prison. I went to the so called Memorial this year, and attended few meetings to see if I can take it. Well I felt like complete stranger and nothing can connect me back to their matrix world. I'm thinking to give a try and then fade out. I don't know....did anyone faced similar situation? Any thoughts or advice will be helpful

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Time to move on, my last post on JWN....

by JustHuman14 in

jw
friends

i have been posting into the forum since 2001(my previous avatar was "justhuman" and when forum changed to net, i couldn't retrieve my old avatar so i had to use a similar one and log in again).

almost 15 years are gone.

made some friends here, including mr flipper and one that i really miss dearly is oompa.

JustHuman14

Just a final contribution for my friend Oompa, and also a friend for many of us in this forum. A PM that he send me, and I feel I want to share it with all of you.

I don't know where you are Eric, but we will never forget you....until we meet again

" i have followed your story, but that slipped my mind. if me and my wife dont work things out maybe i can be you room mate!....i have always wanted to go to greece and your islands...i love to sail and have wanted to charter a yacht there someday. How old are your kids? It will not take long before they realize you were smart to leave...and they will want more freedom for sure by their teens. I feel there is nothing wrong with undermining everything JW that your wife tries to brainwash them with...tell them to wait till they are older to make religious decisions for themselves...no kid should have to believe what he is told by parents about such a major idea....good luck friend....go and be happy......eric"

[email protected]

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Time to move on, my last post on JWN....

by JustHuman14 in

jw
friends

i have been posting into the forum since 2001(my previous avatar was "justhuman" and when forum changed to net, i couldn't retrieve my old avatar so i had to use a similar one and log in again).

almost 15 years are gone.

made some friends here, including mr flipper and one that i really miss dearly is oompa.

JustHuman14

Thanks for your comments all:

I agree with you yadda yadda, I feel just about the same...

And finaly Sir82, do you really believe that I'm leaving the forum, due to a depate????? By the way theory(Θεωρία) is a Hellinic word? Do you know the EXACT meaning of that word???? Without google it or search on line?

In many of my posts I said that I accept the Evolution Theory as a concept. But there is something beyond that as well. I was raised with the Books Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and many other Hellenic Philosophers, that you are not aware with, and most of all, I have learned in order to reach for a conclusion to QUESTION EVERYTHING....

Thousands of years before Darwin, Greek Philosophers and Scientists, have set the foundations of the Evolution Theory. The entire Western Civilazation, is based upon the Hellinic Culture. Democracy, Architecture, Philosophy, and is not an accident that the majority of the words and terminology for Astronomical, Medical, Maths, Science are all Greek(Hellenic is the correct word). Do you know why? Try to talk about Darwin's Evolution without using a single Hellenic word, or become a doctor without using the Hellinic language... lets see if you can do that...

Thank you all for your comments, but is time to move on....

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The Fossil Record: vs God Allowing Pain & Suffering

by Shanagirl in

what a man does with the fossil record tells a lot about his worldview.

is it the result of a world-covering deluge?

or did this sorry chronicle of pain, suffering, and death precede humans (and the reign of death) by millions of years?

JustHuman14

Cofty, I didn't said that I don't believe in Evolution...there was an Evolution process. The main issue is who is responsible for that?

No one, including Scientists(and the majority of them are part of the control system that exists today on Earth) knows, or holds the absolute truth.

I always have as my moto, one saying of our Great Philosophers, Socrates: " I know one thing that I know NOTHING".... and the Greatest of all Aristotle said: " It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"

good bye to all, since I have made my last post,

all the best

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Time to move on, my last post on JWN....

by JustHuman14 in

jw
friends

i have been posting into the forum since 2001(my previous avatar was "justhuman" and when forum changed to net, i couldn't retrieve my old avatar so i had to use a similar one and log in again).

almost 15 years are gone.

made some friends here, including mr flipper and one that i really miss dearly is oompa.

JustHuman14

I have been posting into the forum since 2001(my previous avatar was "justhuman" and when forum changed to net, I couldn't retrieve my old avatar so I had to use a similar one and log in again). Almost 15 years are gone. Made some friends here, including Mr Flipper and one that I really miss dearly is oompa. A really nice person that I had the chance to talk with through the net and the forum, and unfortunately he put an end to his life due to WT's shunning policy.

Although I haven't being posting a lot recently, still I feel, I need to close the subject WATCHTOWER, for good. Leaving WT cost my family, my life, lost long friends and relatives, I had to leave my home due to WT's policy of disfellowshiped and gone through very hard times, loneliness, depression, but I had to follow the long and narrow road. It would have been easier if I just stayed there, I have climbed almost all available "spiritual" steps in the WT ladder, and all I had to do was pretend, like many JW's are currently doing and "live" my life, with my children that I really feel empty not living with them. But no, that's not for me.

Personally I do miss the old forum and all timers that they left as well, plus I don't feel that this forum has nothing more to give me. It is like a dwelling place a harbour for many people out there, trying to set themselves free from WT''s tyranny and chains. Once they are ready, then they sail again. It has being my harbour for all those years, and help me a lot to exiting from the WT, but I need to carry on for my quest.

My spiritual journey is not over, I always seek and looking for answers, besides one of our Great Philosophers, Socrates said: " I know one thing, that I know NOTHING"...

The most important of all, is to remember all those who died in vain, due to blood issue, or put an end in their lives due to the WT Cult nature profile, and I feel sad to say that 2 close childhood friends I had, put an end to their lives because of the WT....

All I have to say is good luck to everyone, and the truth is out there...

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The Fossil Record: vs God Allowing Pain & Suffering

by Shanagirl in

what a man does with the fossil record tells a lot about his worldview.

is it the result of a world-covering deluge?

or did this sorry chronicle of pain, suffering, and death precede humans (and the reign of death) by millions of years?

JustHuman14

Then why they call it: Evolution Theory???

cheers Cofty

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The Fossil Record: vs God Allowing Pain & Suffering

by Shanagirl in

what a man does with the fossil record tells a lot about his worldview.

is it the result of a world-covering deluge?

or did this sorry chronicle of pain, suffering, and death precede humans (and the reign of death) by millions of years?

JustHuman14

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!another Creation VS Evolution depate ready to roooooooll....

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More WT Propaganda: 10 Year Old Children Should Get Baptized!

by Oubliette in

i just caught this in an upcoming study article which will be "studied" in the congregations the week of 11/18-24/13:.

he and his wife were elated when their eldest daughter, age ten, told them that she loved her parents, loved the brothers and sisters, and loved jehovah very much.

she said that she wanted to dedicate her life to jehovah and get baptized.

JustHuman14

The sickening part is that, a 10 year old who got commited to the worst cult around, in that young age, might get disfellowshiped in 3-4 years time. Can you imagine a 13 year old kid being shunned and feeling the impact of WT's policy for the disfellowshiped ones??

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There Was No First Human

by cofty in

this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....

JustHuman14

1. Settling Down: Dead Ends and Transitions
  Between 8000 B.C.E. and 5000 B.C.E., some hunting-gathering groups developed more intensive techniques that permitted them to establish more sedentary settlements. In what is now central Russia, for example, groups were able to hunt wooly mammoths and supplement meat supplies with intensive gathering. The establishment of sedentary communities allowed intensive hunting and gathering groups to establish social stratification and commerce with other similar groups. An even more specialized society associated with the Natufian complex of the Middle East depended on the intensive gathering of wild grasses, primarily barley and wheat. Natufian society was stratified and probably matrilocal and matrilineal. Despite the development of intensive gathering and sophisticated storage of grains, Natufian society did not create any technological innovations. The dependence of Natufian society on regional grasses left them vulnerable to changes in the climate. Due to desiccation of the region, Natufian communities disappeared around 9000 B.C.E.
2. A Precarious Existence
  Whether grouped in small bands of nomadic hunters and gatherers or more densely clustered in intensive hunting and gathering groups, life for all Homo sapiens remained precarious. With limited technology and a vulnerablity to alterations in the migratory patterns of prey or climatic alterations that created changes in the ecosystems on which they depended, all human communities experienced the constant threat of extinction.
Agriculture and the Origins of Civilization: The Neolithic Revolution
1. Introduction
  Beginning around 8000 B.C.E., many human cultures became increasingly dependent on cultivated crops and domesticated animals to secure their supply of food. By 7000 B.C.E. sedentary agriculture was able to support towns with populations of more than 1,000, such as Jericho and Çatal Hüyük. By 3500 B.C.E., the first civilizations appeared in the Middle East. While no one knows for certain what conditions caused the shift from hunting and gathering to sedentary agriculture, changes in the climate may have been significant factors. It is also probable that increases in human population prompted changes in food production.
2. The Domestication of Plants and Animals
  The first plants domesticated were the wild grains - barley and wheat - that were common in many regions of the Middle East. The transition from hunting and gathering to agriculture took place slowly. Only as additional crops were added to the agricultural system did societies diminish efforts to hunt and gather. Early agriculturalists may have continued a seminomadic lifestyle. At approximately the same time as the domestication of wild grains, agricultural societies also began to domesticate animals. Dogs, sheep, goats, and pigs were among the first animals domesticated around 8500 B.C.E. Cattle, more aggressive and faster than the other animals, were added to the agricultural system around 6500 B.C.E. Domesticated animals improved the supplies of available protein, provided hides and wool for clothing materials, and increased the manuring of agricultural land.
3. The Spread of the Neolithic Revolution
  The greater effort expended in agricultural systems made the shift to sedentary communities impractical for many groups. Hunting and gathering societies and agricultural communities continued to coexist. Some groups practiced pastoralism, based on the dependence on domesticated animals. Pastoral societies often thrive in semiarid regions incapable of supporting large populations of farmers. Pastoral societies were often strongly militarized. During the period of the Neolithic revolution (8000 B.C.E. to 5000 B.C.E.), agricultural techniques of production spread from the Middle East to other areas of the globe where the climate permitted. The cultivation of wheat and barley expanded from the Middle East to India and Europe. From Egypt the cultivation of grain crops spread southward along the Nile. Africa south of the Sahara desert developed an independent agricultural system around 2000 B.C.E. based on root and tree crops. In China, Neolithic agricultural societies developed a separate system of crops based on millet. Somewhat later, farmers of Southeast Asia began to cultivate rice. American agricultural systems featured maize, manioc, and sweet potatoes.