Leo, thank you for this useful information. Whenever the Society trots out the Isaiah scroll as "proof" the Bible hasn't been changed (and they do it regularly), it always makes me angry. It's classic WT strategy: Mention the one item that supports the dogma and pretend the rest doesn't exist...
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Special Assembly: CO admits the grip is tightning.....
by yourmomma inwhat im about to post is the exact words from the co during the last talk of the most recent special assembly day.
even though im out i still try to keep up with what is being said just cause i find it interesting, and alot of stuff i find funny, but this stuff is starting to get scary, and i fear for my friends who are still in.
here are the exact words:.
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Are you serious? This is way more than what I heard at our last SAD. I would really like to hear a recording (not that I'm doubting you!!) This is scary stuff...OTOH, there are always those "fringe-element" uber-crazy COs that go the extra loony mile, and maybe this guy falls into that category. It would be interesting to have his name, see if anyone else found him over the top.
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Anyone interested in free Bart Ehrman's "Miquoting Jesus" & "Gods Problem" audio books? Great books.
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Hell, yeah! I've read Misquoting Jesus but not God's Problem. I'd love to have it as an audiobook. Is that MP3 format?
Thanks!
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My first semester at college was a sucess!!
by noni1974 ini got my grades today.
i ended up with a 3.57 gpa and i'm able to join phi beta kappa, which is the honnors society at my school.
not to bad for an ex jw that never graduated from high school.
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Noni--way to go!!!
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Origin of Life Brochure--Excellent Video re how life may have originated
by Cadellin inhi, folks--i'm not sure if this vid has been posted before but its worth watching for a simple (and likely simplistic) hypothesis on the formation of life.
as many of you know, one of the (numerous) difficulties with the latest wt brochure the origin of life, five questions worth asking is the way it conflates evolution with abiogenesis, then quotes scientists like robert shapiro who say that, for instance, the rna world hypothesis won't work because of thus and such.
then, the wt (somewhat dishonestly) uses those words as "proof" that any kind of naturalistic origin is impossible (instead of revealing what shapiro, in this case, is really saying--that while the rna world hypothesis has problems, there are other hypotheses that overcome those problems).. at any rate, this is worth watching, both for the easy to understand explanation of one possible hypothesis from a harvard scientist and for the cool way the text is calibrated with the final movement of beethoven's 9th symphony.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yojsflhx7ts.
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Shepherd: Your video is also excellent; I've watched it a couple of times. Your voice is identical to that of my BIL--kind of freakin' me out! Thanks for posting it here. Both of these are a must-watch!
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Origin of Life Brochure--Excellent Video re how life may have originated
by Cadellin inhi, folks--i'm not sure if this vid has been posted before but its worth watching for a simple (and likely simplistic) hypothesis on the formation of life.
as many of you know, one of the (numerous) difficulties with the latest wt brochure the origin of life, five questions worth asking is the way it conflates evolution with abiogenesis, then quotes scientists like robert shapiro who say that, for instance, the rna world hypothesis won't work because of thus and such.
then, the wt (somewhat dishonestly) uses those words as "proof" that any kind of naturalistic origin is impossible (instead of revealing what shapiro, in this case, is really saying--that while the rna world hypothesis has problems, there are other hypotheses that overcome those problems).. at any rate, this is worth watching, both for the easy to understand explanation of one possible hypothesis from a harvard scientist and for the cool way the text is calibrated with the final movement of beethoven's 9th symphony.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yojsflhx7ts.
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Fascinating, Unshackled--thanks for the link!
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Are Faith and Reason Compatible? Jan Awake
by DanaBug inhere's some quotes from that article:.
the bible says, for example, that if your worship is to be acceptable to god, it must be a sacred service with your power of reason.
in other words, you must worship god in a way that is worthy of thinking beings.
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it is something you have thought through carefully—resulting in trust in God and his Word, which is firmly based on reason.
Reasoning on such information produces the conviction that even things that cannot be seen with the literal eye are, nonetheless, realities
The kind of faith built on what the Bible teaches is compatible with reason.
Danabug, thanks for posting this. Notice how even within this article supposedly encouraging rationality and independence of thought (or something akin to that), the WT is careful to tell the reader what his or her conclusion should be! There's no room allowed for someone who engages in these thought processes and comes to a different determination!
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Origin of Life Brochure--Excellent Video re how life may have originated
by Cadellin inhi, folks--i'm not sure if this vid has been posted before but its worth watching for a simple (and likely simplistic) hypothesis on the formation of life.
as many of you know, one of the (numerous) difficulties with the latest wt brochure the origin of life, five questions worth asking is the way it conflates evolution with abiogenesis, then quotes scientists like robert shapiro who say that, for instance, the rna world hypothesis won't work because of thus and such.
then, the wt (somewhat dishonestly) uses those words as "proof" that any kind of naturalistic origin is impossible (instead of revealing what shapiro, in this case, is really saying--that while the rna world hypothesis has problems, there are other hypotheses that overcome those problems).. at any rate, this is worth watching, both for the easy to understand explanation of one possible hypothesis from a harvard scientist and for the cool way the text is calibrated with the final movement of beethoven's 9th symphony.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yojsflhx7ts.
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Hi, folks--I'm not sure if this vid has been posted before but its worth watching for a simple (and likely simplistic) hypothesis on the formation of life. As many of you know, one of the (numerous) difficulties with the latest WT brochure The Origin of Life, Five Questions Worth Asking is the way it conflates evolution with abiogenesis, then quotes scientists like Robert Shapiro who say that, for instance, the RNA world hypothesis won't work because of thus and such. THEN, the WT (somewhat dishonestly) uses those words as "proof" that any kind of naturalistic origin is impossible (instead of revealing what Shapiro, in this case, is really saying--that while the RNA world hypothesis has problems, there are other hypotheses that overcome those problems).
At any rate, this is worth watching, both for the easy to understand explanation of one possible hypothesis from a Harvard scientist and for the cool way the text is calibrated with the final movement of Beethoven's 9th Symphony.
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How many times have you studied a paraphrased version of Adam and Eve?
by sabastious init seems like at least once a month the watchtower is explaining original sin.. i believe that it is specifcially this story that is used to turn wt kids into eventual mindless drones.
they are constantly told that they are worth nothing because of eve's mistake.
i always felt so powerless because it happened so long ago and we are still feeling the effects.
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Yet what's always puzzled me is how smoothly Eve is simply dropped out of the conversation when it comes to the corresponding sacrifice. In all the JW literature, it's Adam that brought on sin and imperfection to all humanity and that's why it takes a perfect man to redeem everyone. Jesus is supposed to correspond to the perfect Adam in buying back the imperfect human race but didn't it take TWO people to create the imperfect human race? So if Adam's mistake is redeemed by Jesus, that's only half of the story. Who redeems Eve's mistake?
I suspect a little digging would reveal that this idea is a reflection of the underlying belief in the woman being a mere incubator and life actually originating with the man... What's funny is that JWs use the idea of heredity to explain how sin and imperfection spread, conveniently overlooking the role of the female.
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When jw's tell you how evil the world has become
by carla inask them if they are aware of stories like these?
good news does not make the news.
it doesn't sell.
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The Society is very good at presenting incomplete histories as those that are complete. That is, they adapt the evidence to fit their dogma, not the other way around. "This is the worst time in history" is only true if you look at bits and pieces of evidence, and not at the picture in toto.
Sure, life was great a hundred or so years ago, as long as you were white, well-off, male and straight. Any aberration from that societal "standard" and things weren't so hot.
Visible minority? Ghettoized, few if any civil rights, victimized and subject to perptual verbal slurs.
Female? Second class citizen with limited civil rights and a 20% chance of dying in childbirth or from childbirth related causes.
Gay? Prison or worse.
And all this was considered "normal."