Interesting. I think the WT is contradicting itself because, if I remember correctly, hasn't it stated that God has ALWAYS had an organization on earth, in one form or another? So Jesus and his 12 would have been the earthly representation of God's organization on earth at that time, wouldn't they??? Therefore, their answer makes no sense.
Cadellin
JoinedPosts by Cadellin
-
23
Tonight’s meeting
by lastmanstanding inthis post is for the lurking dub.
the pimc (physically in, mentally confused) lurker dub.
the guy who reads the watchtower stuff and scratches his head, sure something is amiss but not sure of what’s really happening.. it may also be of some interest to those curious of the nuts and bolts of watchtower’s methods of scripture twisting.. in tonight’s “digging for spiritual gems: (8 min.
-
-
-
27
Re: the woman parking attendants and real life
by carla inwith much amusement i read the thread on women parking lot attendants and it got me to thinking about life at home for the average jw.. i believe i am correct in thinking that anything to do with jw-ism requires a penis, except all the leg work (fs & pioneers).
meaning the mic's, talks, etc... but yet the same guy who thinks his wife (or any other woman) is not bright enough to run the sound system for example doesn't mind his wife hauling hay, digging in the yard, managing the checkbook and other various physical jobs as well as jobs that do in fact require a brain larger than that of a gnat?.
let's say a guy is a bit technologically challenged but he can manage the sound system at the kh ok. i imagine he feels proud that he is getting to do this great privilege?
-
-
Cadellin
This is one of the things that bothered me even as a very small child. I could never make sense of it. Interestingly, the WT seems to be softpedaling the whole submission thing, at least publicly. In one of the recent "public" mags, there was a cover article on family life, with advice for husbands and wives and--to my surprise--nothing was said about headship, submission, etc., just generic thoughts about showing respect to each other and working together. If you didn't know better, you'd think that the WT considered husbands and wives equal.
But this insistence that men, esp. elders, do literally everything in the cong. might contribute to the WT's eventual diminishment or downfall, since there are just not the males around to do all the work. In my husband's cong. of more than 120 pubs., he was lamenting one of the elders moving out, and that it would effectively leave three able-bodied elders to do all the work (alas, he is one of them). Even the MS's are elderly, with one or two exceptions. And this is in a "large" cong. I have to wonder if this will also maybe contribute to a further cutting back of conventions like the RC, since there are just not the males to "man" all the posts. HAHAHAHA!!!
-
56
Do You Ever Wish That Hillary Was President?
by minimus inhillary is very supportive of doing whatever it takes to undermine trump.
would you be happy if she were your president?.
-
-
Cadellin
I have to speak up. Hilary Clinton would have been 1000x better than Trump, who is an unmitigated disaster from any (knowledge-based) perspective. Although Bernie Sanders had some excellent ideas/platforms, it would have been more challenging to get consensus across party lines with him, due to his polarizing effect. That said, even he would have been better than Trump. Both Clinton and Sanders would have strengthened Obamacare and pushed for universal healthcare. They both would have offered a much more insightful/humanitarian approach to immigration while still understanding the need for security. Trump is terrifying, to be honest, and is doing terrible damage to US credibility and institutions, damage that will take a long time to fix. God help us all.
-
19
Just seen on Twitter: Ol' Rubber Face Steven Lett - Obedience Required
by jp1692 injust seen on twitter: .
.
-
-
Cadellin
Well, I made it all the way to 16 seconds but that was it. OMG.
-
55
LEAK: 3000 buildings to liquidate. How to choose? (Watchtower propaganda video)
by Fay Dehr inhttps://youtu.be/pzdxen9rvw0.
as the leaked financial meetings show, watchtower (by it's own admission) has to liquidate 3000+ properties quickly.
how do they choose?
-
-
Cadellin
Wow--they are in serious financial trouble it sounds like. As someone once said, you can only sell the family silver once. This organization is on an unsustainable track and it appears that they recognize it. Jehovah's blessings indeed! Wait--isn't he the one who owns all the "silver and the gold"?
-
32
Scary Effectiveness of Assembly Videos
by Captain Schmideo2 inwell, i got to see the final day of this years regional convention.and i saw something that disturbs me.. the final, "summing up review" video.
it disturbs me because it was so well done.
(i wish i could remember the title of the song), to the strains of a solo vocalist singing in a fine "irish tenor", we see the actors from the previous videos of the last few days all assembling together in a clearing.
-
-
Cadellin
Someone on another thread posted it. It is emotional manipulation on a whole new level. And yes, it is well-done, effectively designed to provoke an emotional response--fear and pride. It also amps up the "us versus them" stance. The filter used is something I haven't seen before and it adds an appealing light, which only serves to contrast between the good guys (you-know-who) and the bad guys (everyone else).
-
37
Grace Gough ( RIP ) left the JW cult in her 70s and went on to help 1000s to escape the cult
by Not_Culty inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7ilnoxvu4.
she helped me.
sent me my first copy of crisis of conscience (free) grace has been featured on many talk shows, including sally jesse raphael, raising awareness of support for cult abuse survivors.
-
-
Cadellin
RIP, Mouthy. You were a formidable woman.
-
39
Russian Court authorizes seizure of outlawed sect children
by cha ching inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nei6lvfl13q.
interesting development in russia... according to this article on youtube, it appears that children that are subjected to being involved in banned social or religious groups can be removed from their parents..
-
-
Cadellin
I'm with stillMS on this. It is horrifying and no one should be applauding it. I'm no apologist but children should only be removed from parents when there is clear, life-threatening danger--not for a belief system. Russia is an extremist and oppressive regime and JWs will be only the start. The majority of JW parents are good and decent people.
-
59
A Little Direction Please
by Brian J ini'm an active elder, cobe, just got home from the meeting where i handled the treasures part and concluded by announcing a friend of mine has been d/f,.....blah blah blah...and over the last year have woken up.
i simply cannot spill my guts to my wife and children as it would be family suicide.
i have zero desire to bash, spread my feelings, or become an "apostate".
-
-
Cadellin
Welcome, Brian. As so many others have said, I feel for you. Reading others' experiences was one of the best things I did when I was waking up. I was/am the wife of a zealous elder but have been inactive for more than 10 years so my situation is a little different. That said, both of our entire families are uber-JWs (Bethelites, missionaries, need-greaters, you name it) so my slow and careful fade was still a heavy shock, no matter how I couched it (depressed, health issues, etc.)
However, our marriage is stronger than ever. I suggest you take the advice to amp up your attention to your wife in completely non-JW ways--make time for the recreational activities that you otherwise never had time for, the things she likes to do. Help her connect with her non-JW personality as much as possible. It will help you "win her without a word!"
Despite everything, I have never been happier (or in better health!) and our life has never been better. My husband is still active with the local cong. but we have come to an understanding about where we each are and are able to accept each other as we are. I truly hope that you are eventually able to accomplish this. Please let us know how it goes.
-
26
Darwin's lack of evidence
by Half banana inwhile making bread this morning and between answering the door and phone calls, i listened on steam radio to the programme in our time with melvyn bragg.
his panel of experts explained how the discovery of thousands of bird fossils has revolutionised our perception of avian evolution.
i recall watchtower literature smugly presenting darwin’s admissions in his origin of the species that the geological evidence for bird evolution is “imperfect” in fact missing.
-
-
Cadellin
The WT's dishonesty in this area was one of the things that woke me up. They delight in presenting such info as Darwin's admission as if it is as true today as it was in the 19th century. Interestingly, their most recent printed (well, online) articles on evolution are pretty flimsy, with few particulars (compared to the Creation book of the 1980's). Rhetorically, they've retreated to a lite version of The Bible Says It So It Must Be True.