i first had contact with jw's in the early 70's so i have seen many changes in that time like many people here.. in recent years we have seen the talk of many new kingdom and assembly halls to be built with urgency ,then suddenly it was put on hold ,then the halls were legally taken over by the society and congregations now renting ,if you will, back the halls they paid for and built with their own hands .i am talking generally as it would be different in some parts of the world.. people have been consolidated into neighboring halls as a lot of halls have been sold bringing in massive amounts of money for the wts.
over time policy ,scripture interpretation etc have changed ,people move about new ones get born in ,new people become jw,s and all this churning keeps people distracted.. eventually,over time surely the halls will fill up again with there being less of them around .i wonder whether this is part of wts strategy for the future fiscal plan ,that they can once again build the hysteria of the 80,s for quick built kingdom halls again ,and so then completing a cycle for future sell offs again ensuring future money and investment?
for ones born in or newer ones who were'nt around in the 80's it would all seem so fresh and exciting for the wts to sell it to them!.
John - That's true the excitement was big in the 80,s ,with 1986 year of peace and the millenium finishing it was hard to see past 2000 etc
But I can see the WTS as though just treading water for now ,hungrily waiting for some extraordinary natural disaster or war event close to home, to get the writers busy using the same old scare tactics format to motivate to build for their next cycle of money grabbing .
i first had contact with jw's in the early 70's so i have seen many changes in that time like many people here.. in recent years we have seen the talk of many new kingdom and assembly halls to be built with urgency ,then suddenly it was put on hold ,then the halls were legally taken over by the society and congregations now renting ,if you will, back the halls they paid for and built with their own hands .i am talking generally as it would be different in some parts of the world.. people have been consolidated into neighboring halls as a lot of halls have been sold bringing in massive amounts of money for the wts.
over time policy ,scripture interpretation etc have changed ,people move about new ones get born in ,new people become jw,s and all this churning keeps people distracted.. eventually,over time surely the halls will fill up again with there being less of them around .i wonder whether this is part of wts strategy for the future fiscal plan ,that they can once again build the hysteria of the 80,s for quick built kingdom halls again ,and so then completing a cycle for future sell offs again ensuring future money and investment?
for ones born in or newer ones who were'nt around in the 80's it would all seem so fresh and exciting for the wts to sell it to them!.
I first had contact with JW's in the early 70's so I have seen many changes in that time like many people here.
In recent years we have seen the talk of many new kingdom and assembly halls to be built with urgency ,then suddenly it was put on hold ,then the halls were legally taken over by the society and congregations now renting ,if you will, back the halls they paid for and built with their own hands .I am talking generally as it would be different in some parts of the world.
People have been consolidated into neighboring halls as a lot of halls have been sold bringing in massive amounts of money for the WTS. Over time policy ,scripture interpretation etc have changed ,people move about new ones get born in ,new people become JW,s and all this churning keeps people distracted.
Eventually,over time surely the halls will fill up again with there being less of them around .I wonder whether this is part of WTS strategy for the future fiscal plan ,that they can once again build the hysteria of the 80,s for quick built kingdom halls again ,and so then completing a cycle for future sell offs again ensuring future money and investment?
For ones born in or newer ones who were'nt around in the 80's it would all seem so fresh and exciting for the WTS to sell it to them!
What do you think?
he is the highest rank catholic to cop this in australia .
his case was suppressed for some time but now is public ,.
the news is just breaking on tv he has right of appeal still denying guilt.
Thanks BW
My personal history as child is of incest and then rape from someone else .This stuff does stick like shit to blanket.
You can imagine what it was like trying to have girlfriend when I was a teenager. After a year she told me the time had come to have sex and I should read two sex manuals she gave me ,she was switched on for 16. I finally started to learn what a proper relationship was and how it works . This is one way your affected in life.
I've done the therapy ,hospital treatment etc all my life but I think think fighting the WTS for years over my ex wifes abuse by her elder father is what did me in for a while and helped me find better help.
I feel I am more real about the world ,have learned to avoid the bullshit people in life more but I am sorry molestors deserve to die ,no time for any new age bs ,there is no god I can see now ,evolution is probably right and so the molestors don't have any moral platform to live on.
Again thank you for your concern and I hope that Pell gets justice to whatever degree society sees fit.
he is the highest rank catholic to cop this in australia .
his case was suppressed for some time but now is public ,.
the news is just breaking on tv he has right of appeal still denying guilt.
Having been a victim myself from a different source I feel disgusted at the world's way is with these things.
I brought this topic up because of the abuse of power of some people and how appalng it is and always has been.
There are more victims than what is known in this case and others and they have a life sentence and when you go to court you feel like a victim all over again ,having had to go thru this myself as a witness for my ex-wife ,the judge had to clear the court as someone yelled at me "mother f****r".
The world has become a better place for victims in sense ,for things are'nt so easily hidden and those in authority are more so being called to justice.
I did not start this topic to throw mud at the catholic church specifically but to all filth in organisations who break with decency and respect I say would love to see a world where you are put to death.
As regards the Ballarat area of Victoria and the sex abuses carried out there over time I know little of the history but when I lived in Queensland I knew a family of JW's who came from there ,and one of the family confided to me why they left the Ballarat area and moved to Queensland as they were catholic at one time and became witnesses. They faced horrors in Ballarat and it adversely affected all their lives . I kept in touch for a time till it was obvious they would not talk to me any more because I was telling them the truth about the truth.I was trying to tell them the facts about the WTS and it's problem with molestors So I have been affected by losing dear freinds.
So we do get a life sentence yet the perpetrators often get away free. Is it any wonder that a young man years ago in new south wales took the life of his perpetrator? I personally felt a sense of justice from that .
yesterday, robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots, got busted for getting a massage and more.
they say there is another more high profile person who also got busted.. does this stuff upset you that some men have gone into a massage parlor for possibly more than a massage?
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I am pretty sure I saw a city overseer leave one of those "relief" centres in the city early one morning .but as a good little Jdumb I thought god would sort it out.
don't know why the text went big sorry
in the movie "roma," a man is shown making some martial type moves with a sword totally naked.
and the scene is not so brief, giving a clear glimpse of his private parts.
it is a very graphic scene.
It.s OK the movie is black and white so it must be "ART "
he is the highest rank catholic to cop this in australia .
his case was suppressed for some time but now is public ,.
the news is just breaking on tv he has right of appeal still denying guilt.
He is the highest rank catholic to cop this in Australia . His case was suppressed for some time but now is public ,
The news is just breaking on TV he has right of appeal still denying guilt
Filth
https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1095514606657851392.
"in the past 12 months, #watchtower has obtained more than 36 unique subpoenas to identify the people who have posted their documents, leaked videos, & images from their publications.
this #watchhunt is a coordinated effort to locate & punish the leak sources.".
The old Watchtower has become INCONTINENT in it's age ,springing leaks everywhere
many witnesses in my opinion know nothing about the religion.
they don’t understand the history, the doctrines or the bible.
many people become jws because they were raised as witnesses so they take the plunge.
Speaking of fools ,I put my hand up. Met my first wife when she was living away from her parents who were JWs.
Eventually found out what they were and went to a meeting in about 1974 and love bombed.
Though cynical about their religion I accepted a study eventually from an elder who said 1975 October was the end ,but first wifes mother disagreed with this , I saw the problem and stopped studying, this should have been a warning but no.
We moved away had babies and I found out my wife was doing a study ,I was not happy but was convinced by her study conductor to have another look at it. I was worried for my babies sakes how the world was going and had many questions and troubles about my past including spiritism, rape ,molestation etc - yeah I was ripe and vulnerable. I was really taken by the study conductors way and agreed to study with a brother again in 1980 ,but he was easily twisted in a knot by my reasonings so again I quit.
Did I end it there ? No another few brothers tried to get me on side as the sisters did their best to act sweet and get my wife in . Next they sent a Russian/chinese guy who I was drawn to for his personality and his bible knowlege ,and I again studied in 1981.
There was so little anti JW literature in those days ,none at the library so I ran out of missiles in my arsenal and gradually accepted the cunning arguments he presented ,though there was this little voice in my heart. he seemed to have the answers to the problems of the past with the spiritistic practises of my past life , hope for my children ,and thinking that no one eventually will have to live through horrors I and others have lived through ,yeah I was prime meat for the WTS.
1983 I was baptised and zealous and my wife and I were successful in studying with many people. I believed the WT history book about it itself that it was "candid" but as the years went by that little voice spoke to me on many occassions usually at times of elders hipocrisy. My pioneer wife left us for the world ,brought my kids up and re-married to a sister ,who after we married told me her elder father had molested her for years , and so began about 15 years of sorting this out with the society (which never did because of the 2 witness rule), during which time I had a mental breakdown and hospitalized several times.Only one sister visited ,love amongst the bothers what a joke!
About 2002 I formed a case against an elder in another state where I lived for a while , it was serious misconduct on his part but I had 3 JW witnesses to the conduct against me and informed the Society in Sydney
Needless to say he got away with it but I had the evidence needed to show the two witness rule is BS and started me on a journey of finding out the TRUE history of Jehovahs Witnesses. I think the little voice in my heart had started to yell at me !
In my experiences I discovered Deut ch 22 v25-27 and others which was used at the Australian Royal Commission against the hypocrisy of the WTS
Recently had some young witnesses come to my door and spoke to glazed eyes sadly ,but I hope ones read this and run away from the servitude of the WTS ,I did'nt for years, I did'nt provide for my financial future sufficiently and now I live on a pension because I believed the WTS shit and thought the end would come decades ago while the governing body live in relative opulence without a care in the world ,the witnesses are paying for their comforts.
as jesus christ was preparing to go to his death, he encouraged his disciples with these words:.
"in my father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, i would have told you.
i go to prepare a place for you.
I enjoyed your post Meshech it was coherent and is not out of place here , as all kinds come here .
But as far as relevance to those that have no faith in the bible it becomes moot to them and it does show again how deceptive the scum of the wts are.
Not hard to see why the wts is trying so hard to bury their history of old light new light ,well done
