Posts by wozza

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Witnesses after Covid shut down are increasing their calls around my neighborhood

by wozza in

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hi all , i just had another call by a an elderly jw ,let's call him ian.. only about 3 months ago i had a young jw call and trying to talk to him i had to tone it down a bit because he did'nt seem so theocratically bright as he only offered a tract and not much else , and i've had others call since covid.. so it seems around here they are making regular calls but not like back in the day when i used to auxillary pioneer where we would go over this turf every 1 to 3 weeks in the 80's.. but back to my caller ian ,on his own , but out with a group of jw's he was quick to get around the pleasantries and and so i interrupted him tactfully to slow him down.

started with a bit of my history easing into the fact that i had my first contact with jw's with my soon to be mother-in -law who was an invalided jw ,we had many good talks about her beliefs in the early 70's.. at this point he jumps in and wants to know if i would want a study again because i told him that i once did a study with jw's back.

i carefully steered him into telling me about those days ,what was he was doing back then.

wozza

Thanks all for your responses ,each time they call I try to get them to think about their beliefs but either they don't read the DNC list or they just ignore it now because they keep coming back for more .

Rivergang - I used to live there on the Sunshine Coast for 8 years and have given some of my experiences on here about what went on in the congos suicide ,child molestation etc ,its the same where one seems to go in JW lala land.

I have not seen any apathy carts either Beth Sarim but they seem to be making an effort in door to door work ,but they don't seem as energetic as we used to be years ago and just seem to want to hit and run and they live in their delusions more now.

I don't try to be rude to them but I don't hold back from pointing out their wrong ,with "Ian" ,since he was an old timer ,I tried to reason with him on how the WTS used to ban organ transplants trying to say it was cannibalism ,but then later allowed transplants but he said he never recalled that being the case -apalling! I then asked him how he thought the JW's who lost loved ones over this would feel ,he ignored me and looked down.

As I said to the elder I last went on field service with about20 years ago "my conscience does not allow me to do this anymore" and I stopped going to meetings shortly after.

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Witnesses after Covid shut down are increasing their calls around my neighborhood

by wozza in

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hi all , i just had another call by a an elderly jw ,let's call him ian.. only about 3 months ago i had a young jw call and trying to talk to him i had to tone it down a bit because he did'nt seem so theocratically bright as he only offered a tract and not much else , and i've had others call since covid.. so it seems around here they are making regular calls but not like back in the day when i used to auxillary pioneer where we would go over this turf every 1 to 3 weeks in the 80's.. but back to my caller ian ,on his own , but out with a group of jw's he was quick to get around the pleasantries and and so i interrupted him tactfully to slow him down.

started with a bit of my history easing into the fact that i had my first contact with jw's with my soon to be mother-in -law who was an invalided jw ,we had many good talks about her beliefs in the early 70's.. at this point he jumps in and wants to know if i would want a study again because i told him that i once did a study with jw's back.

i carefully steered him into telling me about those days ,what was he was doing back then.

wozza

Hi all , I just had another call by a an elderly JW ,let's call him Ian.

Only about 3 months ago I had a young JW call and trying to talk to him I had to tone it down a bit because he did'nt seem so theocratically bright as he only offered a tract and not much else , and I've had others call since Covid.

So it seems around here they are making regular calls but not like back in the day when I used to auxillary pioneer where we would go over this turf every 1 to 3 weeks in the 80's.

But back to my caller Ian ,on his own , but out with a group of JW's he was quick to get around the pleasantries and and so I interrupted him tactfully to slow him down. Started with a bit of my history easing into the fact that I had my first contact with Jw's with my soon to be mother-in -law who was an invalided JW ,we had many good talks about her beliefs in the early 70's.

At this point he jumps in and wants to know if I would want a study again because I told him that I once did a study with JW's back. I carefully steered him into telling me about those days ,what was he was doing back then. He tells me he was a witness back then and had in this context been around Africa and other places then so I assumed he was a missionary or pioneer at one time.

But the he jumped back with would I want a study and why I had given up the study. Trying to keep it simple I explained I had done a study back then using the blue truth book ,he said he studied the same book so we had something in common.

But again he tried to control the conversation on his terms about a study but i went back to that time and reminded him it was a time that JW's were excited about 1975. His eyes glazed over and then partially closed them and went on the attack with the lie that was when some people said that was was what witnesses were teaching but we were'nt !

Oh I said my MIL said nobody knows the day or the hour ,but my study conductor who was an elder believed it look like armmaggedon would be october 1975. Back came that attack look in his eyes and I said to him I was there and at least some JW's believed that. This was confirmed years later because I became a JW early 1980's and spoke to many who told me of their selling of cars and properties to go pioneering ,some borrowing money because they thought they won't have to pay it back etc because in 1975 was coming.

Ian repeated he did'nt believe that back then and ignored the fact that alot of JW"S believed in 1975 . I said you asked me why I stopped studying back then and here is why, MIL did'nt believe it but my study conductor did so I saw no unity of belief back then pre 75. I could see his frustration so I moved on quickly to say I did become a JW years later became a ministerial servant ,very active ministry brought many with my wife into the JW fold - by this time his eyes were opening, along the way I saw and experienced alot of hypocrisy and challenged the elders many times and never got satisfying answers.

Then I said said my pioneer wife cheated on me and left the young children with me to raise. By this time he was looking to get out of there, but I went on that I re married a witness woman and found out on our wedding night or there abouts that she had been molested over years by her elder father and we spent 15 years trying to get the Watchtower to handle this which they never did. It went to civil court but my wife could not cope any more and withdrew the case from the courts as none of her sisters would back her up, and they only admitted to being abused to here years after the court case was dropped .

Of course "poor" Ian was looking for a get away he was lucky because his wife was out too and rang him. At that point it dawned on me how things had changed over the years when witnessing, I remember going to the doors carrying a big leather bag with a bible ,tracts ,magazines etc and here is Ian with a mobile phone in one hand answering calls at my door and a tablet in the other hand ,something the society condemned years ago!

I closed with telling him I can't study with him because of what I have seen and at that I found in the Hebrew scriptures a reason that the JW 2 witness rule is utter crap and showed this on this forum when the Australian Royal Commission on child abuse started it used that reasoning from the Hebrew scriptures to show the Watchtower reps they were wrong on this issue.

Well that did it for Ian ,I said I know where the kingdom hall ,I helped build it brick by brick but i won't belong to an organization that corrupt.

Looking forward to seeing the next witness at my home, but they suffer in their cognitive dissonance when they come.

I will soon do another topic on how the WT ignores the truth in the bible later .

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Have you seen a UFO/UAP?

by BoogerMan in

the acronym uap once stood for "unidentified aerial phenomena," until december 2022. .

then the pentagon updated its terminology to encompass "submerged and trans-medium objects.".

https://www.defense.gov/news/transcripts/transcript/article/3249303/usdis-ronald-moultrie-and-dr-sean-kirkpatrick-media-roundtable-on-the-all-domai/.

wozza

Hi all ,have'nt been here for a while but this topic caught my eye .

I will tell my story about UFO's if you all promise to be kind.

I grew up in Adelaide South Australia and once in about 1970 I went fishing off the Semaphore jetty with some of the boys I grew up with in my area. It was a clear night with the stars clearly shining and things were quiet fishing wise, and we were just chatting when one of us spotted movement of a bright light ,about the size of a bright star but as it moved across the sky it was clear it was in our atmosphere as compared to the stars.

I remember we thought it must just be the light of a plane perhaps heading to the Adelaide airport ,but suddenly it was joined by several othe bright lights exactly the same and they moved up and down and across the sky at incredible speeds and we all felt fear for the first time ,nervously we talked about this display trying to explain it away .This display lasted about 10 -15 minutes and we gradually stopped talking about it and gave up on the fishing trip and went home and we never talked about it again as a group though the boy who lived next door to me talked about it privately once ,I think that we just felt we would get in trouble for making up stories.

I never forgot that experience and years later when I was married with babies and a wife in a different area a neighbor invited us over for dinner and slide show . When that was finished I conversed with the guy who was a air traffic controller ,he'd been on assignment for 2 years at Leigh Creek coal mining town , at the airport but now was back in Adelaide doing his job at the Adelaide airport.

Well I asked him about UFO's and he was hesitant but after making me swear not to tell anyone his experiences he told me they picked them up often doing impossible movements and speed on the radar which covered all of South Australian airspace. He did not elaborate with dates etc but he was sure they were nothing our science at that time could make. It just left me with a relief that I had seen something real back then but what it was exactly I don't know because they did not come down and give me a piece of evidence ,we just saw what we saw., and have not had another experience like it since.

So has anyone else seen this kind of thing?

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Did Jesus have a pre-existence or was he fully human, begotten at his human birth.

by gavindlt in

so when was jesus begotten.

was he truly and wholly fully human.

did he exist in two states, part human part god.

wozza

myelaine

"Jesus was body, soul and spirit. His soul & spirit were perfectly in tune with the Fathers law & will. His body didn't need to be perfect, nor could it be. His body became perfect when it was "glorified" in the resurrection. It is that soul & spirit that had pre-existance with the Father. "

Thank you for your response ,This is where different peoples interpretations come into it ,so Jesus was flesh like us but how a spirit and a soul? Some would say his spirit was what went to heaven but then did he leave his body and soul behind on earth? Others might have a different view that the soul and spirit are but the same thing so we are back to jesus having 2 components , a soul/spirit and a flesh body.

I wonder what the bible really says and is it any wonder that there are so many confusing teachings from people who believe in the same source of their belief - the bible.

Is this 3 component Jesus the result of catholic original teaching?

What about a person being descibed AS A soul or dead soul?

How can any person reaching out to the bible for hope comfort and belief just accept a flavor of christianity when the essence of divinity is descibed in different ways ?

Where in the bible does it say Jesus's soul and spirit were in line with the fathers will apart from his body when he was on earth?

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Did Jesus have a pre-existence or was he fully human, begotten at his human birth.

by gavindlt in

so when was jesus begotten.

was he truly and wholly fully human.

did he exist in two states, part human part god.

wozza

So if The holy spirit fell upon Mary (an imperfect sinner like we all are supposed to be) ,the imperfect egg in her body was inseminated by a supposedly perfect sperm ,and this genetic code from both of them eventually became Jesus?

Then Jesus was a hybrid species ,sort of like mating a horse with a donkey ,and getting a mule which can't reproduce ? But are'nt we told that he was perfect in human form ?

I can't find any specific statement saying that the holy spirit made Mary's egg perfect ,can anyone?

Could Jesus have been imperfect then until he was taken up to heaven ? Was he only half perfect?

If Jesus was imperfect to a degree then did he actually offer a perfect sacrifice for mankind to be saved?

Do the catholics believe Mary was made perfect at the holy spirit insemination of her ? and is that why they worship her as a perfect being?

Round and round we go the ragged rock of man made religious stories that never harmonise with reality.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

wozza

From Magnum's post -Mark Sanderson: "We've deepened our understanding of Jehovah's mercy, his compassion and his patience... and what about that announcement about our field service reporting? Jehovah is dignifying us, he has confidence in us."

Notice the opening of Sandersons speech " WE'VE deepened our understanding ....." ,not that Jehovah has deepened their understanding ,or Jesus , this belies the source of their decision to stop reporting publisher hours.

So therefore this is a man made decision brought about by possibly legal pressures etc ,and what about being called publishers ? This was a term used to make the R&F feel linked to the so called important work as though a publisher was an officially approved dispenser of Jehovah's truth.

Ticking a box is all that is required now so how are they publishers? What a joke they are borrowing terminology like "publisher" when they have nearly shut down their printers ,stopped door to door witnessing during a so called pandemic ,I doubt too many first century Christians stopped telling the good news to others even though persecution and death befell many of them.

And finally saying that Jehovah is DIGNIFYING them all by not having to report hours of preaching that is supposed to be life saving ,what a pathetic bunch of unqualified liars.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

wozza

I agree with you cofty ,

Covid opened the door for change and made the publishers slacken off by not going on the field.

The fire for witnessing gradually dimmed for years now by the R&F being dumbed down.

It would be harder for the WTS to guilt the publishers into attacking the field with zeal after the Covid holiday ,so they make it look like a loving provision from the governing body to NOT report and therefore not witness as much.

The Pioneers etc can now be made to be an elite class by having special "conferences" and the R&F taught to see them as a gift from Jehovah ,and they will be happy with that as they will not now have to do as much uncomfortable witnessing.

But eventually Pioneers etc could be dropped in time as, after all, didn't a Watchtower sometime say the witnessing work will end just before Armaggedon?

The governing body covered changes a while ago by telling the R&F that things may seem wrong when changes happen but still trust the governing body (not Jesus).

There will be less cost in needing less staff to keep track of hours and less literature.

I'm almost suffering from cognitive dissonance just coming to grips from this news ,though we knew one day this change had to come to placate the R&F and easier to become a JW which brings in the dollars.

I wish I could go back 50 years and confront my first study conductor Adrian ,and tell him what the future really holds.

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

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note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

wozza

I am with Bandicoot, maybe the other place is for the wife.

OK they are getting along in age and with fat Tony's secret sin he probably has had "Brewers Droop" for some time.

Some older women still need a little lovin' so maybe there's more than a bit of freedom needed for a woman married to an impotent ,perhaps all his anger at the brothers was because of his frustration at being sexually in competent , but a few whiskies will loosen that slimey little mouth and make him a man in his head!

just sayin'

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

wozza

Fisherman and Scholar are doing us a service by reminding us of what the people and beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses are in reality ,just their beliefs told to them by a collection of very ordinary men attempting to patch together failed and confusing prophecy from old writings.

Fisherman I tend to like your manner but not your beliefs as like many who left the org ,I have seen the hypocrisy within and been at the recieving end of it ,so I will not be part of it.

As for Scholar ,well you represent all that is bad in the religion ,from hypocrisy to arrogance and self importance all qualities of the governing body and the drones below them. Keep going I say for you are assisting those now that come here ,and especially Jeffro in helping future ones see what JW are.

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1975 on the back burner

by Fisherman in

“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.

according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.

it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.

wozza

I think SLIMBOYFAT was onto something when he wrote this " According to the Genesis account Adam was 130 when they had their first child, so that sets the absolute limit of the delay between the creation of Adam and Eve at 129 years. That would put the latest date for the 6000-year anniversary of the creation of Eve at 2104. That would be 190 years after the Gentile Times ended in 1914 – quite a stretch. "

Now what I am looking at is to take this a bit further ,Slim's notes point to a possible armaggedon by the latest in 2104.

Now think about that 129 year delay between Adam & Eve being created ,remembering that FRANZ would spend some time with a Jewish man who was scholarly but who was not a JW and apparently they discussed the scriptures together.

Think who was seen as the WTS guru ,Franz, and who pushed for the possibility of 1975 as the end! Franz .

Now look at Slims figure of 129 years since Adam and Eve became a couple leading to year 2104.

Now take that year 2104 and deduct that 129 years ,2104 - 129 = what? Yes the year 1975,.

Maybe Franz worked out the watchtower prophecy this way ,errr but what then happened in 1975 -nothing but a zero.

I did my first study with an elder named Adrian in the 74 to 75 period and I know well what he was expecting in 1975 and he was not the only one. My future mother in law pointed out the scripture "no body knows the day or hour" ,so she did'nt put too much hope in 1975 ,but it was enough for me to stop my first study.