Pioneered many times and did observe this ritual in others ,but not into it myself coz I really bought into the bullshit and worked fulltime as well yuk
Posts by wozza
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27How many of you remember the "Pioneer Shuffle " and the special "time reporting" of pioneers?
by Foolednomore ini started pioneering in my late teens an remember how slow pioneers would walk to the doors while out in circus.
also, they would not really talk to anybody at all.
they would start their time as soon as they got dressed an out the door, while us regular shucks started our time at the first door we knocked at.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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wozza
Fisherman 42 minutes ago
We conclude that by what is written in the Scriptures and obviously because he wasn’t put to death
I think that is the point being made against your argument ,he had the power and army to make his own history just as all the other dictators in history.
And while considering David think about this ,those of his that followed suffered the ultimate cost where David can SAY he suffered.
And let us look at Solomon who died an apostate and yet his writings still appear in the holy bible which the WTS holds high ,bet they won't hold Ray Franz writings and life in the same way.
Your beliefs are disgusting and reveal what kind of human being you are ,go and find yourself a conscience and come back to the human race!
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04-2022 Q from Readers on Divorce
by Rattigan350 inany comments on the 04/2022 question from readers on divorce and remarriage.. "if a christian divorces his wife without scriptural grounds and then marries another person, how does the congregation view the previous marriage and the new marriage?".
why does that even matter how the congregation views anything?
they should be minding their own business.. if people move to a different area, the congregation wouldn't even know about.. (if a guy remarries a woman with the same first name, she would end up with the same name and no one would know).
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wozza
Yes "Many loyal christians....", so they present it as if the ones that get abused and wait in hope that the abuser becomes a JW are somehow on a superior path ,so many women especially I remember doing this but to no avail.
And what about the title "Honor what God has yoked together", if you were married in a Kingdom Hall one could say that perhaps, but what if ,like me you were married before you became a JW by a civil celebrant?
How does this apply ? God was not on our minds so how can the WTS treat us the same when the wife committed adultery and leaves the family? I was still in for some time raising my children on my own when an elder warned me of not being able to marry again unless adultery can be proved! I thought about it and said to him I could go to a prostitute theoretically ,admit my sin and wait quietly to be re-instated and then be free to have a partner again ,he did'nt know what to say. The fact is I was treated by the congo as a sinner and avoided even though I was the innocent party so waiting out the restriction time seemed no different to me.
In the end I talked to another elder when my daughter told me my estranged wife was screwing around ,now this elder took it upon himself to go see my wife ON HIS OWN and talk to my wife where she then admitted to adultery. What happened to the 2 witness rule? She was quite willing to hide her adultery (and therefore I could not get a "sciptural divorce") ,until she got caught by my daughter and then confessed to the elder. In all of the time she had left she was playing the hard done by sister in another congregation where the sisters flocked to her, and in time it became known to me thru a brother that a rumour had come from this congregation that I was the adulterer!
Back tracking a bit before all this my wife was a full time Pioneer ,she had committed adultery before and did'nt tell me for 2 years ,I "forgave " her thinking it was best for the peace of the congregation as we had many bible studies. She spoke to the same elder she spoke to years later when my daughter let me know of her adultery again!.The elders, on this her first occasion ,stopped her pioneering for a few months and took away the book study from our home during this period ,and when everyone had forgotten a few months later they re-instated her!
At the root of her behaviour over the years was the desperate love of attention as a Pioneer and her growing hatred of me trying to adopt the role of "headship" the WTS said I had to adopt or I can't be considered for "priveleges" ,so she grew to despise me for trying. Before we became witnesses we had a good marraige but trying to follow the rules rocked that boat.
Sorry if this seems off topic but I am trying to show how their rules on marraige and other things like divorce cause more trouble and they can't possibly have any authority over peoples marraiges that were not made in a Kingdom Hall and I know they wrote an article in the 1980's saying that marraige was NOT a religious institution.
I know this because when I was getting married a second time to a sister ,we chose not get married in a Kingdom Hall but use a celebrant publically, and the elder who studied with me years before took exception to this and refused to go to the wedding . This blew up when I attended his kingdom hall to show him the watchtower article and we argued in front of the brothers there.
So from my personal experience the WTS pushes an agenda which just wants the drones to shut up, heads down ,to their ever vascillating pretentious rules based on keeping them relevant at the cost of the drones in their actual lives and don't offer any real practical help ,waiting on Jehovah does not cut it ,it's a blunt and broken knife they use to guide people and it is always to the detriment of the people.
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Article: Judge: Jehovah’s Witness Parodies Are Fair Use. Watch Tower: So What?
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://torrentfreak.com/judge-jehovahs-witness-parodies-are-fair-use-watch-tower-so-what-220220/.
february 21, 2022 by andy maxwell.
in 2018, watch tower filed for a dmca subpoena that would've required youtube to hand over the identity of an animator who parodied the religious group in his videos.
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The WTS has always used the courts ,when I became a JW i remember a brochure called "Legally establishing the good news", they had to in their view, because they set them selves apart from other churches by their different views and teaching and critisizing them and the governments of the world.
They now attack little people that criticize them and ,I think, they know how effective cartoons etc are at influencing people because they use the same methods. Look back at their history in the literature of their mocking religious leaders of the past thru cartoons and they still manipulate peoples emotions with the cartoons they make of putting kids money in a contribution box.
The problem is for individuals now that point out WTS faults is they are monied up now and are using lawyers to bully any critics. They are now wealthy from real estate sales and have been a worldly building company for a long time..
If I read about Jesus in the bible ,well, they are just so far removed from the examples of behaviour that Jesus showed ,for example the turning of cheek , the way he handled the religious leaders criticism, to love your enemy etc. The WTS leaders and their associates have nothing in common with Jesus of the bible.
Remember that quote from the bible where it says "why not let yourself be wronged"
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Interesting fossil find in Australia
by wozza ina 95million year old fossil of a new species of crocodile found with a dinosaur in it.s stomach found story here,,,.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/broken-dinosaur-killer-croc-ate-dinosaur-for-last-meal/100823384?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link.
well the wts has been lying to the world .because they say no aniimal ate meat before the fairy story flood ,.
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wozza
I do have trouble believing the flood story as the bible presents it as a worldwide event at once. The scientific finds don't seem to back it up to a lay person ,it is similar to the evidence for the exodus with moses , where is the evidence.
Clams being shut and fish swallowing fish ,to me , only show that they died quickly due to a local event that may not have been a world wide flood. The fact that some creatures have not changed much in what scientists say are tens of millions of years just says to me that the environment for them has not changed enough for them to adapt.
As to the length of creative days ,well if you are going to believe stories in the bible ,then it would of course be possible for god to do this in such a short time because it written like fables and stories of gods like the greeks believed in. That's why when I left the JWs I broadened my outlook of religion and studied up on how religions formed etc
It seems incredible now that I bought into this belief of religion and how ignorant I was to believe what the Watchtower told me ,and other beliefs well ,are so varied ,it simply shows how man made religion is ,it seems to me it was evolved as a response to living in this world and coping and driven by power hungry people and ignorance.
As has been noted here the WTS could probably say satan put the fossil record this way to decieve future generations, they are not alone and all we have is written down ,by men ,words that say such and such in all of the denominations of christianity ,24 hour periods or 7000 year periods or millions of year periods which is it?
It seems to me only science is moving forward to find a truth about the past and actually prove something by evidence that harmonises not written words that have formed by corrupted men's thinking and greed .
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Interesting fossil find in Australia
by wozza ina 95million year old fossil of a new species of crocodile found with a dinosaur in it.s stomach found story here,,,.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/broken-dinosaur-killer-croc-ate-dinosaur-for-last-meal/100823384?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link.
well the wts has been lying to the world .because they say no aniimal ate meat before the fairy story flood ,.
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A 95million year old fossil of a new species of crocodile found with a dinosaur in it.s stomach found story here,,,
Well the WTS has been lying to the world .because they say no aniimal ate meat before the fairy story flood ,
I'll bet they ignore this story or say the crocodile could have fallen on top of the dinosaur critter .any lie will do for the governing body!
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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?
by raymond frantz inthe problem is where do we go from here?
lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?
we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.
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"Where do we go from here ...?"
Well I think Evans will take the lead from the Watchtower and other organizations that go bad , he will REBRAND as if what happened before does'nt matter anymore, that was someone else who did that.
He will leave a shitty trail behind him and paint the future as bright.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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The only people I've heard of going to Thailand on their own or with friends are the type you hear bragging and joking of their exploits at building site lunch rooms ,you know, getting head under the table as an appertiser with their beer. And later, the main course with those kids drunk and drooling .
If it is true about this bloke he sure fits the physical image with his look and tone of his voice.
Jesus must love this guy, Maybe he is the "saviour" in some peoples minds ,by the way has anybody heard of Jesus lately ,last time I think is a couple of millenia ago? I guess this "savior" will be dust too one day.
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Tennis Controversy in Australia
by smiddy3 inapr 20, 2020. novak djokovic sparks a backlash after publicly opposing the covid-19 vaccine.
he says: “personally, i am opposed to vaccination, and i wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel.”.
asked by sky news australia anchor danica de giorgio why djokovic was granted the visa in the first place, the home affairs minister said: “they’re entirely separate processes”.. “to gain entry to australia you need both – you actually need the visa, which is determined quite separately, and then you have to meet the entry requirements,” she said.. “i know that people are putting the two issues together, but the visa application process and the granting of a visa is very separate to the additional entry requirements that every traveller needs to meet to be able to enter australia.”.
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wozza
Terrible that we speak before we think sometimes.
Australia the "human rights abusing craphole" eh .is that why so many have come from all over the world and have escaped those human rights abuses in their old countries you talk about in your ignorance?
I grew up amongst those people post WW2 and I am pretty sure that those that restarted their lives and stayed here prospered here .
This country has made mistakes and I guess like every nation maybe even Canada Simon
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1988 Devine Justice convention
by Dwnundah ini would like to confirm when (month?
) and where the 1988 devine justice assembly (lang park?
) was held in brisbane, queensland.
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wozza
Ah the 1988 Divine Justice convention ,my memory is it was November too but I lived in Adelaide and had to travel to Melbourne Victoria for this with my wife and children where I was assigned to work in the "Security "department.
Perhaps Lang Park was on at the same time but don't recall. But what I do recall in Melbourne is it was pretty hot and alot of us were sitting on our own chairs on the sports oval as there were so many people there.
Some clown in the security department from Adelaide had a bright red station wagon prickled with antennae and cb radios with a large sign on it saying "SECURITY" and full of self importance!
And up till then I thought Jehovahs org was so smoothly operated till I sat in our car in the heat for 2 hours or so trying to get out of the carpark at the end of the convention days, what a disaster it all was.
It was one of those magic moments that helped me leave the delusion of the JWs behind years later.