Thanks again Kepler interesting stuff ,it's almost like it all written down by future scribes putting together some oral history, does'nt build confidence in the bible for me.
And Zoos ......Dan ch4 vs 9 NWT
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21A problem with the book of Daniel
by wozza inleft the wts some years ago, but just before i left we were studying the daniel book that they produced in the book study .. i noticed something wrong in the bible account of daniel and brought this up at the end of the study when the conductor asked if everyone understood that nights study,.
i think i may have started a topic here some years ago about this event ,it was a time when i started to question the wts in my heart and mind.the scriptures are lengthy so i will just shorten things by describing the stories in daniel and how one point really got me thinking about things and perhaps made the brothers wierd out about me sand distance themselves ,here it is..........dan ch 1-4. daniels ( who came to be called belteshazzar)in babylon along with shadrach,meshach & abednego ,daniel,after praying with these 3, interprets and states what nebuchadnezzars dream is( we all know this ,the image with the head of gold body of iron and copper etc) and they are rewarded by being positions of authority.
daniel made ruler of the province and chief prefect over babylons wise men ,the 3 were made overseers of the administation of the province ,all very important jobs ,.
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If only............
by tresdecu in....charles taze russell's mom and dad didn't have sex back on that night in june of 1851.... weird that a married couple getting horny could affect so many lives 164 years later.. just a random friday thought.
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Sounds like it would make a good movie topic ,sell it to hollywood they need some originality and stop copying foreign films and rebranding them :) -
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What will 1914 (DROPPED) mean for you (EX-JW)
by John Aquila inlet's pretend this might happen.
im not asking what it will mean for the jdubs or for the organization, but what will it mean for you---- if one day you wake up and the watchtower drops the 1914 doctrine.. (you know at some point they have to, but probably not our lifetime).
if you are disfellowshipped or disassociated and have been shunned by your parents, by your children, by you spouse or ex-husband/wife, for years or even less, will you call your relatives and ask/tell them;.
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It is possible they drop 1914 anytime from now ,if I look back to the time I first studied their teachings in 1974-75 ,and then look forward from then, I could never imagine the religion and it's teachings now that we see.
Caleb and Sophia is it? the cartoon characters ,no home book studies etc etc and then there's all the doctrinal changes ,certainly not the religion I was baptised into and why?....because the teachings come from men
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A problem with the book of Daniel
by wozza inleft the wts some years ago, but just before i left we were studying the daniel book that they produced in the book study .. i noticed something wrong in the bible account of daniel and brought this up at the end of the study when the conductor asked if everyone understood that nights study,.
i think i may have started a topic here some years ago about this event ,it was a time when i started to question the wts in my heart and mind.the scriptures are lengthy so i will just shorten things by describing the stories in daniel and how one point really got me thinking about things and perhaps made the brothers wierd out about me sand distance themselves ,here it is..........dan ch 1-4. daniels ( who came to be called belteshazzar)in babylon along with shadrach,meshach & abednego ,daniel,after praying with these 3, interprets and states what nebuchadnezzars dream is( we all know this ,the image with the head of gold body of iron and copper etc) and they are rewarded by being positions of authority.
daniel made ruler of the province and chief prefect over babylons wise men ,the 3 were made overseers of the administation of the province ,all very important jobs ,.
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The gratitude of Jehovah's witnesses - unbelievable
by punkofnice ini have to rant...i know you'll listen and understand.. i drove over to my son's place.
down one side of the road cars were parked making only room for one vehicle to travel.
here was a car that didn't have right of way approaching.
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And this was reported to and acknowleged by Australian Bethel ,still remained an elder no reproof -
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The gratitude of Jehovah's witnesses - unbelievable
by punkofnice ini have to rant...i know you'll listen and understand.. i drove over to my son's place.
down one side of the road cars were parked making only room for one vehicle to travel.
here was a car that didn't have right of way approaching.
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Oh PON you're just being precious ,when you are told to f... off by an elder in front of his family and 3 witnesses who testify inwriting he did this ,then you've been shat on ha ha -
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1942 Book "The New World"
by Debra Ann Romano ini grew up in a magnificent, 3-story, greek revival house on the once very rural staten island ny.
the house was originally part of a huge compound, cannery, farm, and wbbr radio station owned by the watchtower society.
my late grandparents purchased 1065 woodrow rd in 1957 and that is where i spent the next 12 years of my life.
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What a find ,looking at that old book made me think of all those old timers back then , who believed what is in those pages and worked hard to spread the contents to their neighbours then , and now in our time so little in that book is current teaching on JWOrg. Sad -
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Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?
by karter ini haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.
the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.
then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????
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Aw come on guys is it really that bad ? If they fall in a hole we'll have no-one to have fun at ! -
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Need advice: Intimacy with my wife almost non existint because she considers me an apostate
by goingthruthemotions injust on of the perks of being an apostate who is married to a branwashed, blinded jw woman.
you know, we have been married for ~27 years....most of which we had nothing to do with the piece of shite cult.
up till the begining of 2014 was when i woke up.
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wozza
The situation won't change ,she's already mentally gone ,my next point my offend but here goes......
Your situation sheds light on the the theory that women will only accept men iff they get what they want out of them ,when the well dries up so does the sexual favours . But then I also knew a brother who would hold back sex from his wife unless she succumbed to his "lord of the manor" ways because he knew she had a high libido.
Maybe it's just human nature to be a selfish arse hole, and you both made a terrible decision to partner up.
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When we offered these books at the doors ,we would be very careful as to what pictures would be shown the house holder ,it was embarrassing .