Posts by wozza

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49th Anniversary of my PAROLE from Federal prison

by TerryWalstrom in

today is the 49th anniversaryof my parole from federal prison.

in french, "parole" means 'word of honor'.in effect, a prisoner promises the authorities they will be honorable.. in 1967, i violated the u.s. military training and service act.about 25,000 draft age americans simply ran away to canada.i did not run.

i stayed and gave my 'witness.".

wozza

Congratulations Terry ,I personally think you did what you did at the time sincerely and that's what counts. It shows what good qualities you had when young even if the cause was wrong.

My story was from another angle in those days ,I actually joined the navy at 17 ignoring my fathers request not to. You see he was a bomber in the RAF from 39-45 the whole duration and had taught me the evils of war from a young age. I wanted to see the world and put aside my anti war feelings for that ,joined and soon learned what being at war meant and it was real and I realised my mistake.

I came forward as concientious objector and the navy gave me hell ,threatened jail but they got rid of me with the optional discharge squad (you could optionally leave the service after a qualifying period)

Glad I did'nt kill any Vietnamese people and so was my dad and still proud of my stand to this day.

You stuck to your principles at that time and the motivation from your heart was the thing that mattered.

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What are the "inner rooms" of Isaiah 26:20? The answer may surprise you !!!

by jwdoctrine in

"go, my people, enter your inner rooms, and shut your doors behind you.hide yourself for a brief moment until the wrath has passed by.

"(isaiah 26:20).

one of the questions that seem to trouble the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses in recent year is this: what will jehovah's witnesses be doing during the destruction of babylon the great?

wozza

From my first contact in the early 70's the kingdom halls were suggested as a place of protection ,but mostly what was pushed ,as many old timers know, was to keep close to the brothers in your book study groups who met in nominated homes of the group.

The idea was, if we knew and cared for each others welfare in our book study, we may be directed to the book study home for protection when the shit hit the fan ! This was pushed for many years .

It made me laugh, after I left the org ,when they stopped the arrangement and met at the halls for book study ,so the jehovah given direction was reversed after all the years .I wondered how the dead elders who pushed this shit would feel if they could come back!

I feel the not directing ones to the hall anymore may have started when bad things happened at halls around the world such as the bombing of a kingdom hall in Sydney australia. From then on the lie of people being protected from satan in a hall seemed to disturb the thinking of certain ones. And then they had special bomb squads at assemblies - I know as I was in charge of the Adelaide Australia one for a while.

But underlining all the changes is probably money and liabilty $$$

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The JW's 2 witness rule applied to Molestation is wrong AND HERE'S WHY

by wozza in

this is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.

the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".

so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.

wozza

Thanks for the responses ,and Listener in regards to the WTS response that you kindly posted it is plain to me that this was a carefully compiled response by those led by lawyers and not by the holy spirit as the GB would have us believe.

I'm looking at many points which are just so wrong about their argument ,but they say at point 18. "His guilt is assumed in both instances." which is so misleading ,put that into todays cases of child molestation that the JWs handle ,I find it unlikely that the elders would just assume the perpetrators guilt , they would try to find out what had happened .

By making statements like this is trying to lead the reader into their assumption to qualify their position .

The fact is they can't lawyer away what is written in Deut: ,here they are saying he is guilty by the fact that the Judges had established improper sexual relations had occurred ,BUT THEY DO NOT STATE HOW THIS WAS ESTABLISHED ! If it was only established by what the girl said then it is by ONE witness !

But if the man admitted immediately his guilt there are two witnesses ,maybe the WTS is trying to make readers believe the judges did a vaginal inspection for seminal fluid ,who knows ? In their court reply they don't say of course how they know this transpired ,they just make a misleading statement.

Like the typically circular reasoning they have used for a long time it seems they are the scriptures can't be inconsistent because god wrote them as if that was a way to explain the bibles anomalies.

There are other wrong things in their ARC response but others may like to comment as well ,I bumped this to help people put closure in their hearts to the disgusting way the WTS has handled molestation cases and their unloving way they treat the people in the org ,I was one of the many that dealt with the WTS over this for many years with my ex wife and seen what damage was added to her load by the way they treated her (for instance one elder said to us they can't act in these cases as out of every 100 cases their might be 1 guiltless perpetrator!)

This statement then lays doubt on every victim of child abuse.

When I was a young child I was not brought up in a JW family ,but was sexually abused by my mother for years , this so weakened me that around 11 I was coerced to a car taken away and raped in scrub and left to find my way home. I kept these secrets from my father as I feared it would hurt him somehow, many years later as an adult I told him.

As an adult one of the reasons I became a JW was to find peace from a harsh world where I imagined these things don't happen ,as it turned out over the years I found out what the WTS really is thru helping my ex wife who was molested by her elder father for years .

I went back over WTS history from different sources that were'nt available to me before the internet ,and here I stand.

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Which post has he just read, and what's he thinking?

by Fay Dehr in

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wozza

" I just farted and these fools will think I smell sweet "

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The JW's 2 witness rule applied to Molestation is wrong AND HERE'S WHY

by wozza in

this is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.

the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".

so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.

wozza

I would like to bump this back again for the new ones here to reason on.

Wozza

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How were you 'outed' ??

by stuckinarut2 in

many of us here have been "outed" as ones who no longer believe that this is "the truth".. many didn't have the chance to do it in our own way, and in our own time, but rather someone "found out about our apostasy" and "reported" it to the spiritual police (elders).

would you like to share your stories?.

wozza

Told my book study overseer that my conscience would not allow me to preach for JW anymore as he knew my stand against pedophiles in the org

Next,soon after a couple of sisters called at my door with their children witnessing and I told them of at least one JW man in our hall who is a pedophile and named him . He was actually working with them that day next door with a child ,they thanked me for warning them to protect their children and I explained which elders knew about his pedophilia and which ones did'nt.

They obviously talked to the elders abut our conversation and two of them came to see me at home did the old "Do believe the Org is directed by the GB " spiel

No witness would walk on by my house after that and it was reported to me that I was supposed to be demonised................................... well the pedophile went to jail and they still visited him in prison.

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suicide

by zeb in

jw
friends

who among us has known a jw who has committed suicide.

i believe this as a separate subject has not been covered..

wozza

First JW person was my mother in law, cancer, breast removed still in a bad way 2 years later ,as she was diabetic her wounds would not heal . She asked to talk to me privately one day while dressing her wounds,this was some time before i became a jw. Asked me what she should do because of the pain and misery , I asked if talking to her elders would help and she explained what their view was .Yet she wanted and trusted my view. and as I finished cleaning her wounds I suggested that if she stopped the insulin it could be seen as life running it's course .I told my wife and her sister what had transpired .they stayed that night as she gently drifted into a coma and passed away with dignity not what the elders told her . I miss her conversations it's been over fourty years now since she passed and 1975 .the release she hoped for did'nt come.

Another person was a teenager from a congo near me at the time in Queensland Australia. I used to do some building work with a brother in law and his gang of workers. He was JW and some of his young workers were too .but not all. One day travelling up the freeway to a job in his truck with the gang I saw a young man come out the bush alongside the road looking strange and distressed and I pointed this out to the brother in law who tried to ignore my plea to stop. Well one of the guys recognised the teenager and said so but this still did'nt prompt the brother in law to stop and we continued to go down the road to work.

On the news that night it was reported a teenager walked out into the highway traffic at the spot we saw him .I felt sick and we talked about it at work the next day , As it turned out the teenager was part of a group of kids in the nearby Kingdom hall to me who had been molested over the years by a JW man who used to take the kids from the hall on "private " bible studies in the bush . How do I know this ? The young man who recognised him from in our car was one of the boys who had been molested also - he was distressed beyond belief, he never spoke about it again as he did'nt attend meetings. much like the other victims.

I moved away soon after but to this day I am angry at the brother in law who would not stop .But when I think about it good won't come from bad ,he molested his wifes sister when she was 12 and that girl had his baby and yet she never left him and his JW once an Elder father is a child molestor ,still in.

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Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

by _Morpheus in

so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

post a pic of your ride.....

wozza

One of my first 1973 Yamaha MX250 yellow helmet

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Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

by _Morpheus in

so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

post a pic of your ride.....

wozza

And my dirt road ride an old KLX 650

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Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

by _Morpheus in

so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

post a pic of your ride.....

wozza

Love the Norton

Here's my daily