Posts by digdeeper

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the seven trumpets have not yet been sounded

by MASIMBA in

in the book revelation its grand climax at hand in chapter 18 (earthquakes in the lords day) on page 112, the writers mention that the sixth seal is going to be opened some time in the future and yet they go on to mention in chapter 21 (jehovahs plagues on christendom) that the seven trumpets have already been blown and they give explanations of the fulfillment of these trumpet blasts in mankinds history.

however, i believe it is impossible for the seven trumpets to have been sounded before the opening of the sixth seal because firstly, as they pointed out in the book, the sounding of the seven trumpets is ushered in by the opening of the seventh seal, which seal is only opened after the sixth seal has been opened as happened with the other seals.

the seals were opened or are opened in order form the first to the seventh, which is the last, without skipping one and going to the next.

digdeeper

Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John

Everyone neglects this part of the book of Revelation. There is a whole lot of internal and external evidence pointing to the fact that Revelation was written prior to Jerusalem's destruction in 70 c.e. If put into the proper context the Revalation should parallel many of the events that occurred after Jesus death leading up to the destruction of the Great Harlot (who was unfaithful to God?) Jerusalem.

It is a very interesting study if you have the time....the book will make a lot more sense too.

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

I did read your 1994 quote along with the others. You will notice that throughout the literature the society admits there was a 1st century fullfillment but only through verse 28 of Matthew 24. Verse 29 is called the transition verse and from there everything leaps forward to 1914 and today. If they went further than verse 28 it throws the gathering of the anointed and the coming of Jesus on the clouds into the first century and it is hard to have a double fulfillment of that.

The article in 2008 that I quoted finally admits a 1st century fulfillment (limited of course) to a verse after 28.

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

Here is what I was looking for, and as far as I know, the only admission of a post vs. 28 1st century fulfillment. Now if they could only scripturally support their claims of a greater fulfillment.

*** w08 2/15 pp. 23-24 pars. 11-14 Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean to You? ***

11 It is true that when Jesus used the word “generation” negatively, he was speaking to or about the wicked people of his day. But was that necessarily true of his statement recorded at Matthew 24:34? Recall that four of Jesus’ disciples had approached him “privately.” (Matt. 24:3) Since Jesus did not use negative qualifiers when speaking to them about “this generation,” the apostles would no doubt have understood that they and their fellow disciples were to be part of the “generation” that would not pass away “until all these things [would] occur.”

12 On what basis may we draw that conclusion? By carefully considering the context. As recorded at Matthew 24:32, 33, Jesus said: “Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors.” (Compare Mark 13:28-30; Luke 21:30-32.) Then, at Matthew 24:34, we read: “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”

13 Jesus said that it was his disciples, soon to be anointed with holy spirit, who should be able to draw certain conclusions when they saw “all these things” occur. So Jesus must have been referring to his disciples when he made the statement: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”

14 Unlike unbelievers, Jesus’ disciples would not only see the sign but also understand its significance. They would “learn” from the features of that sign and “know” their true meaning. They would fully appreciate that “he is near at the doors.” While it is true that both unbelieving Jews and faithful anointed Christians saw a limited fulfillment of Jesus’ words in the first century, only his anointed followers back then could learn from these events—could understand the true meaning of what they saw.

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

I am still in "good standing" although inactive. A blessing I get to enjoy by living 1000 miles from where I grew up.

Thankfully I am not the only one in my family that knows the truth about the "truth". But we are few in number and and must converse quietly in the background.

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

Thanks for the tip but I am well versed on that subject. Regardless of how much scriptural proof cult friendly questions one might have, nobody will prove anything to a sectarian member unless that person already has some doubt in their heart.

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

FYI...I am not needing this because I need the O's permission to believe, quite the contrary. But it would be a useful tool when the inevitable discussions with my large 4th generation deep family arise.

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

*** w70 1/15 p. 45 pars. 17-18 The Coming “Great Tribulation” Foreshadowed ***

17 However, these things were not to be the instantaneous forerunners of the destruction of the “city of the great King,” Jerusalem. After foretelling those things, Jesus added: “All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matt. 24:8) As far as they had a connection with Jerusalem, they were a beginning of distress pangs for her and the province of Judea. But they did not mean the immediate end of the holy city and the desolation of Judea. But the fact that those things were at least the beginning of distress pangs for Jerusalem should have been enough to stir the Christians to greater activity, instead of relaxing and taking it easy because “the end is not yet.” (Matt. 24:6; 5:35) There was an extensive work to do, and this required great effort and persistence in spite of religious persecution. So, in verses 9-13 Jesus went on to warn his apostles of the coming persecution by Jews and Gentiles and of the increase of lawlessness and of the need of Christian endurance, and then he added: “And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”—Matt. 24:14.

18 Several weeks later, after his resurrection from the dead and before his ascension to heaven, Jesus commanded his disciples: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” (Matt. 28:19, 20) Some days later, after the next festival of Pentecost, the faithful disciples proceeded to do this. What was the result? By about the year 60 or 61 C.E., when the apostle Paul was a prisoner in Rome, he could write to the Christian congregation in Colossae, Asia Minor, and say of their hope: “The hope of that good news which you heard, and which was preached in all creation that is under heaven.” (Col. 1:23) At that time Paul was wanting to carry the good news of God’s kingdom into Spain, as a pioneer evangelizer. (Rom. 15:23, 24) Such a preaching of God’s kingdom in the inhabited earth had already been given by ten years before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. The “end” could not come before this was accomplished.—Matt. 24:14.

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

digdeeper, The Watchtower January 15, 1970 page 43 states

"All of Matthew chapter 24 was fullfilled in 70 C.E."

What paragraph? I'm not seeing it on the 2010 cd-rom

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WT admits Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 1st Century

by digdeeper in

i am looking for a watchtower study article from early in 2009. in one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment.

anyway does anyone remember the article i speak of or more importantly where i can find a scanned copy of the article?.

thnaks.

digdeeper

Hello,

I am looking for a Watchtower study article from early in 2009. In one of the study articles there was inserted a small information box in which was admisssion that all of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in the 1st century...although they did continue with the unscriptural claims of waiting on a greater fullfillment. Anyway does anyone remember the article I speak of or more importantly where I can find a scanned copy of the article?

Thnaks

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Luke 21:8 and the latest 2008 WT Library

by civicsi00 in

i was perusing the latest 2008 wt library and i ran a search for luke 21:8 (one of the worst texts you could read to a jw).

when i first ran the search, the library only popped up with one article from 11/1/64 wt and a reference to some book called the kingdom of god is nigh (published by the wt in 1944, but is not found on the cd.

i did find it on the internet, though.).

digdeeper

Regardless of what any current religion's commentary is on Luke 21:8 it applies to all of them. The reason being is that this was fulfilled along with the great majority of the Greek scriptures in the 1st century. Just like most everything in this world there is a science to reading and it is called hermaneutics and applying it (especially to scripture) is of utmost importance.

If you want to understand the Greek scriptures better do the following. While reading identify who is talking, who the audience is and what are the geo-political circumstances at the time of the writing. This will make your studies more fruitful, enjoyable and less confusing.