..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
Cofty... ya know... I read TQO's Original Post and had a blankout (was reading too many other threads).
Unfortunately there is no good explaination for the suffering of animals if you try to account for divine creation.
From a scientific approach, "with tests come improvements". So previous generations of animals tested by the environment will adapt so the next generations will "suffer less".
cheers all!
..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
If we were to assume that the god of the bible exists there can be only 1 answer.
This life we live has no value in god's grand plan. After we die, we will either live in heaven with him or on some "better place" that makes all this suffering worth it.
I say no thanks :)
Islam: If you embrace a scorpion, prepare to be stung. It knows no other way, it's laws as "strictly interpreted" allow for no other behavior.
I trust no religions...
since that great atheist heavy weight christopher hitchens left us.
it seems the british press have had their knifes out for richard dawkins.
mostly trying to discredit him and smear his name.. his exasperated "oh god!
Richard Dawkins has been called "Darwin's Rottweiler". Im thinking there's a good reason behind that moniker.
He is brilliant and gruff and does not suffers fools lightly.
I like him, just not some of his delivery methods.
cheers
''well there's one thing you got ta ask yourself punk....you felling lucky...well do ya punk".....clint eastwood dirty harry.. "it's life jim but not as we know it" capt kirk star treck..
Mos Eisley Space port (or as I prefer any town I'm traveling into)... You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany... we must be cautious.
I think after the thrid or fourth road trip, my kids were dreading it..
i am just thinking if there could ever be anything that would raise consciousness in the minds of millions of jws that this a completely hoax.
what could spark millions of them at once, any thoughts?..
simply..... nothing.... it's a self-replicating, self-healing virus that effects the minds of millions... It reached critical mass many decades ago and will continue on for the foreseeable future.
<hopeless>
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
Im with Wha Happened:
...I'm just going to ignore the threads that speak of new alligations, changes from within, whatever. It's all wishful thinking about an organization that apparently is going to be around to harm individuals for some time. Just like other cults.... If and when the WT suffers some sort of public embarressment, it won't be the result of any self declared doer of good who uses sensationalism as part of their discovery of truth.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
.... Wow....
Grats Pams Girl! Make your life your own!
p.s.
For those of us in America, 2 stone = 28 pounds.
cheers
White Dove: Yeah, I'm on the west side of town by the UOP Stadium.
Beks: Shame on you sturring up trouble here... don't make me get my finger and point it at you
