Thanks for the information Jan...
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
the excellent search engine google not only indexes a significant part of the www, it also contains a massive archive of usenet discussions.
some of the old timers here participated on usenet while the world wide web was just a glimmer in the imagination of tim berners-lee.
i actually participated on both sides of the jw/exjw wars from late 92 onwards.
Thanks for the information Jan...
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
mystified people wear a frozen trancelike mask, which often confuses others.
the mystified tend to overreact and underreact.
more often than not their responses are inappropriate their vocabularies are parrot like, and since they are not really present, they do not listen well.
Jan I'm so glad you picked up on that...
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mystified people wear a frozen trancelike mask, which often confuses others.
the mystified tend to overreact and underreact.
more often than not their responses are inappropriate their vocabularies are parrot like, and since they are not really present, they do not listen well.
Teejay I wasn't taking credit for anything. I said it's part of the recovery process to read and then write about many subjects and personalize it. This is not John Bradshaw's personal term it's a common term utilized by many individuals in recovery. Frankly these concept's are not just John Bradshaw's and he is not the only one to write about them. They are a part of the 12 Step program. They come form the reading in 12 step books. I think Larc would agree that one rarely teaches their own ideas.
In my field we talk about these issues so much we really don't think about crediting because no one really knows where all the terms originated from. Essentially because most of the writings are anonymous. Noone cares where they came from they just utilizes the tools available for them and work toward recovery. I can see so many on this thread aren't interested in recovery.
If we all gave credit for every term discussed we would be at it all day long. Since there isn't an original thought to be found.
I never claimed that the concept of demystification or that soulfulness leads to spirituality, was mine. No more than the concept of God or religion as an addiction. I didn't think a general term needed to be credited. It was just my reaction to the term that I wished to discuss. In how I apply it to my WT experience.
I never said these were my original ideas. This is something I wish to discuss with adults interested in recovery. Teejay: You are not interested in recover so go away!
Cassline, if you don't agree that religion can be an addiction then just don't agree. I don't care what you think. However you may have your opinion as anyone else.
Thank you all for providing such a safe place for sharing.
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
mystified people wear a frozen trancelike mask, which often confuses others.
the mystified tend to overreact and underreact.
more often than not their responses are inappropriate their vocabularies are parrot like, and since they are not really present, they do not listen well.
Hahah Are you bored Prisca? I saw you PIC.. you have a nice deck... is that your house?
Imbue said:
If they don't have the ability to relate to it then that's OK. Some are not interested in recovery, yet!It takes time to understand what is needed to recover. I wouldn't expect everyone here to be ready to think about their family issues and post them on a public board. It's OK with me if people don't want to share here. Considering the nasty responses given to me here. I don't blame them. I have patience with my audience as you can see I'm very patient with you. Maybe you will come around someday. I can always hope you decide to improve yourself.
IMO No, refiners isn't capable of understanding this. I feel sorry for him but what can we do for him so late in life. As for the whining remark I was only referring to the two of you. I feel sorry for you Prisca because you only read everything as negitive.
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
mystified people wear a frozen trancelike mask, which often confuses others.
the mystified tend to overreact and underreact.
more often than not their responses are inappropriate their vocabularies are parrot like, and since they are not really present, they do not listen well.
Well, sweetie...I only want people to read it. I posted it only for educational purposes. If they don't have the ability to relate to it then that's OK...This information takes a considerable amount of time to contemplate. It's about recovery and many here are not interested in recovery yet. I educate people about recovery as part of my profession.
I didn't expect you to understand this information refiners. Some people just want to whine about what victims they're instead of looking at themselves. You only confirmed how it has gone over your head...poor little nippy thing you are.
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
mystified people wear a frozen trancelike mask, which often confuses others.
the mystified tend to overreact and underreact.
more often than not their responses are inappropriate their vocabularies are parrot like, and since they are not really present, they do not listen well.
Prisca: I already tried that once before and he's the type that holds a grudge forever. The truth is I still don't even know what I said to offend him. It's a mystery...
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
mystified people wear a frozen trancelike mask, which often confuses others.
the mystified tend to overreact and underreact.
more often than not their responses are inappropriate their vocabularies are parrot like, and since they are not really present, they do not listen well.
We know about you already..*yawn*
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
mystified people wear a frozen trancelike mask, which often confuses others.
the mystified tend to overreact and underreact.
more often than not their responses are inappropriate their vocabularies are parrot like, and since they are not really present, they do not listen well.
Mystified people either overly conform or overly rebel.
*The conformist follows others' suggestions like orders to be obeyed.
*The rebel is compulsively counter dependent. Mystified rebels question everything refusing to agree no matter what.
Which one are you a conformist or a rebel?
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
a realistic imagination is what has brought me to apostasy.. "i think i'm finally waking up.
i'm finally getting some sense of what it takes to love someone.
" i heard a person make this statement at a 12-step meeting recently.
Btt...
Do any of you see your family or WT relationship in Virgina satir's
Five Freedoms???
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)
i thought some of you might enjoy this one.... .
http://aneyi.tripod.com/addiction.htm.
"the only good elite are dead elite!!"-naeblis.
You were the one that requested we have no contact. Remember your "Imbue is a troll" thread..hehehe I really loved it, that was a great present, thanks you so much. It was great fun to read. I really enjoyed the fact that my words were so important to you. It was amusing that I could get you in a rage with such little contact. Yes, it was amusing but disturbing to think about for your sake. You may want to look into the possibility that you suffer from rage addiction. This is just a thought for you to consider.
Your only a little thing nipping at my ankles so it doesn't matter to me.
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"The only good elite are dead elite!!"-Naeblis
(Ok! He borrowed it)