in a recent thread by mr. flipper, he encouraged people like myself - out (although not officially) of the cult, and young enough to live our dreams.
'get an education' etc.
well, i'd love to, excet i am in a dead end job with no satisfaction because i don't have further education.
The last thing that leaves humanity is hope. There is always hope. Tomorrow is another day.
Try learning on your own. Borrow books, buy voice-tapes and listen to when going to and from work, try to educate yourself by trial and error. Learn a new language and broaden the possible job-oppertunities. Putting blame on the wtbs is probably true, but you now have your life in your own hands. An open mind will lead you to new possibilities.
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
Ah, Ill try to translate:
Ah, a swede, nice, thought I was the only one here.
You worry to much about the unforgivable sin. You know it will take far worse sins than giving in to "lust of the body"(have no idea how to proberly translate that, it means sex anyway :)" for you to be without forgivness
That is if you still believe in the Jw´s truth, if you do, you know that forgivness is within reach. Think about the story about the lost son
People have done far worse, don´t worry, and good luck.
Since Im from sweden to, nath wanted do send me a message in swedish :)
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
Thanks for all your answers. It feels good do know that others have had the same thoughts and that many of you have come to really good conclusions. It always helps hearing other people with the same viewpoint explain these things. So, thanks
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
haha, thanks outlaw, I think I need to move to Canada then :)
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
What I mean is that its a paradox. Its only possible to commit a sin agains the holy spirit, or God if there is undisputable evidence that God is real. And since all religion is based on faith and something you believe in, despite lacking evidence, how could a Diety punish you for something that couldn´t be proved as a absolut fact?
What I don´t understand is why the bible, and especially the witness makes such a deal about it, when they themself can´t explain what it means
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
Thanks all for your posts. Jim-tx: thanks, that was exactly the thing I was wondering about. The fact that the Jw´s actually have a unforgivable sin, but that they still "forgive" and embrace them back to the congregation if they "repent"
Jwwood: that was exactly what my brother said. But what I can´t understand is how the question in itself can neglect the sin? That statment requires that I still believe in the "true holy spirit" and that the holy spirit I commited the sin against is the wrong belief? Sinning against the holy spirit is only possible if you still believe that it exist and is real? There is no accidental sin agains the holy spirit?
Never mind, thanks all for the posts. Its good to see that others have thought about it, and can explain in it better words than what I can.
btw: Psacramento: Where did you get the info that you have to resort to leading a sect or killing people to commit sin agains the holy spirit? according to insight vol 1 all who leave the organisation is apostates and part of antichrist? thus sinning against God and the spirit.
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
My knowledge about Jw´s and the bible is a bit rusty, sorry for that. I buried a lot of these thoughts when i was excommunicated, and haven´t really felt the need do let them breath until now.
But if apostasy is sinning against the holy spirit, then someone once an apostate, always an apostate? Since God will never forgive them? And yep, i know, that is one of the reasoning behind the shunning part. That once you have tasted the true fruit of christianity and left, then you have had your chance, and is cast out in the world again. But people that go the apostate way, can still come back to the congregation, right? Then it can´t truly be a sin against the spirit, since God would never forgive that? I know Jw´s regard all apostates as part of the antichrist, and all that leave the organisation "willingly" is to be regared as such, but I can´t get my head around how God could possible forgive someone for making a deliberate sin agains him?
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
Flyinghighnow: How could it matter what word I use, you apparantly know what I mean. Im from sweden, don´t know the correct term for: uteslutning.
Jookbeard: haha, so Im not screwed for my first sin, its only the sin of stoping believing that will come back and bite me :)
But how do you really sin agains the holy spirit? if the spirit is the power of God, how do you speak against the power?
this is a true story that was broadcasted in one of the major t.v.
channels in my country and i have seen it personally.
it examines paranormal phenomena, religious, technological and environmental issues.
Impossible to say anyting really. To much variables that arn´t accounted for. Perhaps the little girl knew who they were or perhaps she had been told at an earlier date that Jw´s should not be trusted... But anyhow, Im guessing it made quite an impression on both the mother, and the Jw ladies. They probably thought she was posessed by a demon or something :)
when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.
had i commited the unforgivable sin?.
i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.
When I was ex-communicated by the Jw´s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind. Had I commited the unforgivable sin?
I have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it. I had good personal reasons for it, but nothing that the Jw´s would listen to. According to how I was thaught I have commited a sin, knowingly exactly what the Jw God wanted me to do, but doing the opposite.
I then fell inlove with another girl, did all the things you do when you falll in love knowing that the Jw God looked down at me and saw me as an adulterer...
After all this some people have told me that as long as I repent, God will forgive me. But I can´t really see how that could work. I can´t blame on temperary insanity, i wasn´t drunk or under any other drugs. I had taken several decision with both hearth and mind that went opposite to what i "should do". Isn´t that a sin that God won´t forgive?
Why Im asking this is that I find the thought-pattern quite interesting. I have no plans on getting back, and I no longer belive in the God of Jw`s. But I still have family in there, that refuses to talk to me, and Im still trying to figure out how some things became as they are.
Anyone with any pointers?
