Maybe we should put together an Apostate Agument 101 for all the newbies who will be turning up here when this article is studied in March...
Sapphy
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Latest apostate warning in Feb 15 2011 Watchtower
by dozy inandre, who had served jehovah for years, had the bitter experience of being led astray.
by apostate thinking.
he felt that having a quick look at an apostate web site would not be dangerous.he recalls: initially, i was attracted to the so-called truths that the.
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Hi Folks
by BoreanBill inborean bill here.
looking forward to sharing jw experiences and working towards shutting down the wt society..
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Sapphy
Welcome Bill!
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Why did "Back Calls" change to "Return Visits"?
by donuthole indoes anyone remember the rationale that was used in rebranding "back calls" as "return visits"?.
while on the subject does anyone else remember any theocratic name changes like,.
district assembly to district convention.
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Congregation Book Study,became congregation bible study. Everyone still calls whatever we study 'the group book'
Company Servant became Congregation Servant became Presiding Overseer became Co-ordinator of the Body of Elders.
New World, New Order, New System seem to be on a 15 year rotation.
What a priveledge we indeed do have to be speaking the Pure Language as truth our hearts is reaching.
Obeying grammatical constructs in melodies of Kingdom songs, satanic it is.
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Why did "Back Calls" change to "Return Visits"?
by donuthole indoes anyone remember the rationale that was used in rebranding "back calls" as "return visits"?.
while on the subject does anyone else remember any theocratic name changes like,.
district assembly to district convention.
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Anyone remember the field service white slips on which you would record your not-at-homes?
When I was a kid I thought the slips were called essates. But really they were form "S-8".
As in "Sister, did you return last week's S-8s with the not at homes? I need to give that territory to Sister X for this morning's service, and I think there's a do not call on it"
You know you were a witness if you understood that.
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Biblical Prophecies written BEFORE fulfillment
by brotherdan insatan and nvl recommended that i start this thread.
i'm not sure anyone will have interest.
but one of the things that proves to me that the bible is accurate is the prophecies that were written before the fullfillment, in detal.
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Sapphy
nb - I hope Brother Dan comes back. But I understand how painful it is to have your cherished 'proven' beliefs shaken - don't we all!
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Biblical Prophecies written BEFORE fulfillment
by brotherdan insatan and nvl recommended that i start this thread.
i'm not sure anyone will have interest.
but one of the things that proves to me that the bible is accurate is the prophecies that were written before the fullfillment, in detal.
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Leolaia thanks for your posts here. It's so helpful to look at Daniel through a different interpretive lens than the WT one.
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Generation Teaching - Everyone is speechless?
by Red Piller inmaybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?
in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.
one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.
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Sapphy
On the rare occasion doctrine is discussed among my JW friends, the attitude is "I've never cared about / understood the chronology stuff". Usually followed by:
"We're the only ones who preach/ don't believe the trinity / it's still God's organisation"
I think the society can do what they like doctrinally, as long as they don't take the paradise away.
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If You Had To Have A Religion Which Would You Not Mind Belonging To?
by minimus inif you were even born into a religion, would you feel that you had to get out?
( the only religion that i know of where people get out and often never go to any other religion is the jw religion)..
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Sapphy
Unitarian Universalist if I absolutely had to join something
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Brothers Be Happy - WT Study for October 25-32, Earnestly Seek Jehovah's Blessing...
by jgnat init's no good just to go through the motions.
to achieve jehovah's blessings, the brothers and sisters must have the right heart motivation; to conduct their work in joy and love and remind themselves that the load is not burdensome.. but what if the work is boring and burdensome?
what if in the organization and scheduling of "god's organization", the spirit of the law has been lost?.
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Sapphy
Quoting debator Watchtower style "Is it boring(?) ... definitely" .
Absolutely agree.
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What made you start questioning: people or doctrine?
by In inlet us know what got you questioning wbts in the first place.
i've got a theory that it starts with people hurting us and only then does the "apostate" turn to looking at the beliefs.. anybody who started questioning beliefs first?.
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Sapphy
Doctrine. As a born-in I completely believed everything & thought everything I disagreed with e.g. subjection of women, Cedar Point, Ohio, death of Solomon's baby etc was my fault for not having a good enough understanding. Then over the years my "wait on Jehovah" mental folder just became too big, & it crushed my faith.
As soon as I started trusting my own judgement the doctrines became laughable.
Many believing lurkers will now be thinking of the scripture "Do not lean upon your own understanding", to which I'd just say that if you're going to submit your whole life to someone elses "understanding", you'd better make damn sure they're worthy of your trust.