Posts by superpunk

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Why do people say the god of the bible is Omnisciencent?

by Elsewhere in

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gen 3:8,9 then the man and his wife heard the sound of the lord god as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the lord god among the trees of the garden.

but the lord god called to the man, "where are you?".

in this passage in the bible the humans hid from the god and the god was left wondering around yelling: "where are you?"..

superpunk

I don't think quantum theory applies to God.

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Why do people say the god of the bible is Omnisciencent?

by Elsewhere in

jw
friends

gen 3:8,9 then the man and his wife heard the sound of the lord god as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the lord god among the trees of the garden.

but the lord god called to the man, "where are you?".

in this passage in the bible the humans hid from the god and the god was left wondering around yelling: "where are you?"..

superpunk

My point is that sinning was Adam's choosing - he could and then he could not - YHWH's omniscience notwithstanding.

But his omniscience would tell him beforehand what Adam's choice would be. He knew that before he even created him.

Unless you subscribe to the same deal the JWs do - YHWH has selective foreknowledge.

In which case I feel that someone needs to explain how YHWH knows in advance which things he needs to....avoid knowing in advance.

The problems with all such scenarios are obvious.

The Adamic creation account was clearly written by people who weren't all that intelligent (compared to today's societies) for people who weren't going to question it that closely, or think about it that deeply.

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Why do people say the god of the bible is Omnisciencent?

by Elsewhere in

jw
friends

gen 3:8,9 then the man and his wife heard the sound of the lord god as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the lord god among the trees of the garden.

but the lord god called to the man, "where are you?".

in this passage in the bible the humans hid from the god and the god was left wondering around yelling: "where are you?"..

superpunk

Early civilizations didn't seem to have this same notion of all powerful all knowing deities that we have now, once the gnostics lost.

For example, in the bible we have humans "wrestling" with angels all night. At the end of the evening, after apparently just toying with Jacob for hours to see if he would keep fighting (have you ever fought another man for any period of time - anymore than a few minutes for ANYONE is exhausting) he touched him on the hip and lamed him. It was like he just suddenly remembered that he was supernatural. We've got wars going on in "heaven", between beings that apparently can't be harmed.

etc

God chats with ADam in the breezy part of the day. I think it's off-base to claim that God asked where they were because he wanted them to fess up - no, this is just another example of the humanization of the God the bible writers created. He is their "best guess". And he wears alot of different hats.

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Why Blame God?

by wannabe in

why blame god?.

he said to the woman, "did god really say, 'you must not eat from any tree in the garden'?

so, whose really to blame for the thousands of years of suffering and death?

superpunk

"Why hasn't he done it sooner," they'll continue to complain."

I like how you didn't bother answering this question, even though you asked yourself.

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How did you respond?

by Simon Morley in

jw
friends

we have not attended any meetings for several months now as we continue our fade.

how have you dealt with the nosey parkers who hold the territory that you live in and insist on "dropping by".

first it was the family that holds the card and then a coule of other familes as they work our territory.. i am tired of not answering the door (they know we are home) and need a cute but not revealing comeback to the "we miss you at the meetings" line.

superpunk

I've just said "Oh yeah, that's nice" and move on to the next bit. Talk to them about something non-cult related.

"Oh that's nice. How have you guys been doing? I'm planning a vacation for the summer and having a nice relaxing morning getting some things done around the house. Slept in til around 10 then woke up and made some eggs and sipped coffee til 11."

ok maybe you don't have to rub it in THAT much. ;)

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Taking Oneself Too Seriously

by minimus in

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sometimes i get a kick out of how we might tend take ourselves a bit too seriously..

superpunk

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Atheists show more brain activity

by BurnTheShips in

here.. just read the part in bold, the rest is nonsense.. .

studies: belief in god relieves depression.

jennifer harper.

superpunk

It would seem, however, that belief conveys a measure of evolutionary fitness.

Isn't it almost a case of a placebo - tricking our minds to trick our bodies?

IOW, it's not the fact that a being cares about them that helps their healing process - it's the belief that does it.

If we could convince them that a powerful pocket fairy lives with and cares about them, the results would probably be similar. With a malady where a common complaint is that "Noone cares" - if you can invent a being that is not only powerful, but also cares, and make it believable, it's going to be a decent treatment for the mental aspect of depression - combine it with the treatment for chemical imbalances and you've got a potent combo.

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Atheists show more brain activity

by BurnTheShips in

here.. just read the part in bold, the rest is nonsense.. .

studies: belief in god relieves depression.

jennifer harper.

superpunk

"Ignorance is bliss"?

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Did they have this part right?

by desib77 in

jw
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so what do you think happens to someone when they die.

i learned of the death of someone yesterday that was never a very good person.

i can't help but wonder where he is now... is he dead "aware of nothing" like the jws always said?