There's "evidence" in the bible that witches exist and 7 headed leopards with crowns can come out of the ocean.
We seem to be awful choosy when it comes to which biblical literary devices we assign literal status.
superpunk
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Does hell exist?
by notverylikely inthread for nasticanasta to have at with proof that it does..
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"When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"
by jambon1 insaid to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .
when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.
and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.
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superpunk
Those passages in the Book of Psalms refer to taking vengeance upon the enemies of God's people back then. I've copied the psalm that so many have referenced in order to show the supposed tyrannical nature of the God of the Bible.
And today, JWs believe that Jehovah is going to take vengeance upon the enemies of God's people (all non-JWs). That's what this thread is talking about. David said many times how he couldn't wait to be delivered from the mockers, his enemies, basically anyone who looked at him sideways, and he couldn't wait until Jehovah destroyed them, their wives, and their children.
JWs are biblical fundamentalists, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that they echo these distasteful sentiments of the bible writers.
I invite any who are interested to read it through and see whether it encourages the kind of wholesale slaughter in which the WT seems to take such delight.
What it says is kill all enemies of Israel. Smash their children's heads against the rocks. The bible writers said this sort of sick crap all the time. JWs are just parroting. If we're going to criticize them for being bloodthirsty, and not the book where they got their ideas, I think that makes us hypocrites.
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"When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"
by jambon1 insaid to myself & others by a jw elder.. i always recall this as a sort of .
when this elder was pressed on the matter, he replied that it was because of all the years of laughing & sneering & mocking that he had put up with, quoting the scripture that goes along the lines of 'where is this promised presence of his'.. i realise now that this person is not loving.
and yet, i would hear similar sentiments from others such as 'just wait until the end' or 'i wonder if they'll be saying that when jesus comes with his big sword'.. even as a jw pioneer, the thought of such a thing happening to people repulsed me.
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Can they be blamed?
Almost the entire book of Psalms reflects that exact sentiment. O Lord, lay waste my enemies before me. Smash their children's heads upon the rocks. A thousand will fall at your right hand, ten thousand at your side. etc, etc...
When I was out in service, I think the older sister noticed me checking out some girls as we drove past. She said "Just remember, they're walking corpses."
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superpunk
snowbird, do you not get the moral conflict inherent in the idea that guardian angels intervene for some things and not others? If you think they're helping people avoid filing reports wrong at work or some other mundane rescue mission, you've got to be able to explain why they're NOT helping people who could arguably use their assistance in a much bigger way - like African children who step on land mines while playing soccer.
Alleged future restoration of limbs does not factor into that dilemma - AT ALL.
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superpunk
Oh, they look out for the little lambs in Africa and the other 5 continents ; else, there would be no little lambs.
I bet. That must be why there are so few African children missing limbs.
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superpunk
*double post*
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Dramatic posters on the board...
by tresdecu init cracks me up when i read a really dramatic "good bye to jwn" or "im outta here" threads only to see them posting a few days later.
what is the point?
if you want to stop posting for a while, then stop posting........and then if you want to start again, go for it.. are you just trying to get attention?.
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superpunk
I'm not sure if you've heard or not....but the internet is serious business.
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superpunk
It strikes me as weird that guardian angels have all sorts of time to help Americans avoid snakes and car accidents but they struggle to help small African children avoid land mines. I guess you gotta go where the money is...
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Faders are indeed a very large doormat
by moshe insorry, to be so blunt- for a whole day i have watched people here patting themselves on the back- we're a large army, oohh, look out wt, we might do something, well not today or tomorrow, but someday!
maybe, i have to just accept that a lot of jw's who are exiting the kh by the back door will never find a backbone to stand up to mummy and elder daddy.. jw's have a learned ability to see themselves in a better light than everyone else sees them.
ask a jw, if they are a charitable religion and they would likely all say they are, but when pressed to name a charity they will be unable to do so.
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You either leave the JWs MY way, or not at all!
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When do we say adiós to the Satan construct?
by AK - Jeff init was not like a locomotive, more like a brush with a bush in the night-woods.
nonetheless, it was clarion.
at first i doubled back to assure that i had not missed it, that i was still on the marked trail.
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superpunk
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/ingersup.htm
To deny the existence of these evil spirits, to deny the existence of the Devil, is to deny the truth of the New Testament. To deny the existence of these imps of darkness is to contradict the words of Jesus Christ. If these devils do not exist, if they do not cause disease, if they do not tempt and mislead their victims, then Christ was an ignorant, superstitious man, insane, an impostor, or the New Testament is not a true record of what he said and what he pretended to do. If we give up the belief in devils, we must give up the inspiration of the Old and New Testament. We must give up the divinity of Christ. To deny the existence of evil spirits is to utterly destroy the foundation of Christianity. There is no half-way ground. Compromise is impossible. If all the accounts in the New Testament of casting out devils are false, what part of the Blessed Book is true?
As a matter of fact, the success of the Devil in the Garden of Eden made the coming of Christ a necessity, laid the foundation for the atonement, crucified the Savior and gave us the Trinity.
If the Devil does not exist, the Christian creeds all crumble, and the superstructure known as "Christianity," built by the fathers, by popes, by priests and theologians -- built with mistakes and falsehoods, with miracles and wonders, with blood and flame, with lies and legends borrowed from the savage world, becomes a shapeless ruin.
If we give up the belief in devils and evil spirits, we are compelled to say that a witch never lived. No sensible human being now believes in witchcraft. We know that it was a delusion. We now know that thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children were tortured and burned for having been found guilty of an impossible crime, and we also know, if our minds have not been deformed by faith, that all the books in which the existence of witches is taught were written by ignorant and superstitious men. We also know that the Old Testament asserted the existence of witches. According to that Holy Book, Jehovah was a believer in witchcraft, and said to his chosen people: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
This one commandment -- this simple line -- demonstrates that Jehovah was not only not God, but that he was a poor, ignorant, superstitious savage. This one line proves beyond all possible doubt that the Old Testament was written by men, by barbarians.
John Wesley was right when he said that to give up a belief in witchcraft was to give up the Bible.
Give up the Devil, and what can you do with the Book of Job? How will you account for the lying spirits that Jehovah sent to mislead Ahab?
Ministers who admit that witchcraft is a superstition will read the story of the Witch of Endor -- will read it in a solemn, reverential voice -- with a theological voice -- and will have the impudence to say that they believe it.