Posts by superpunk

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

superpunk

Wow you guys just are not saticfied with the way God runs his universe.

FAITH - Where using the cognitive abilities the Creator has blessed you with, to analyze the actions of the Creator, is considered a personal affront to the Creator.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

Religion and Cults

by alice.in.wonderland in

i've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.

i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.

the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

superpunk

That is what I ask all those that demand proof that God exists, what proof is "good enough" for you "you yourself aren't creating"?

This ends up being one of those "How are we sure that anything exists?" questions, that makes your head explode and isn't worth pondering. Suffice to say we, as humans, have a pretty standard and widely accepted method of verifying things' existence, that we would also be able to use on God. Dictating specific "proofs" is pointless.

However, once you make a positive assertion - i.e. "God exists, and what's more I know him" - then the burden of proof is invoked.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

superpunk

Agreed. When I say personal relationship, I mean that I trust him fully, love him, and understand the love that he showed us to feel for our Father, our neighbor and our enemy - or at least I understand to the best of my ability, and I trust that he understands this. I can speak to him, I can feel the personal nature of speaking to him and knowing that he answers through that love.

That's exactly what I mean, thank you.

Of course the question that follows closely on the heels of that realization is - Why do you feel any of that? How is it possible to feel/trust/love/etc. someone who you have never had a conversation with, met, touched or even seen?

Which is why so many non-believers draw the parallel to childhood imaginary friends. And popper's question becomes pertinent;

The mind is a powerful instrument, so how can you be sure that what you are experiencing isn't something that you yourself aren't creating?

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What Hinders the Governing Body From Learning From Their Mistakes? Could Delusions Of Being Jehovah's Chosen Ones be to Blame?

by frankiespeakin in

we all suffer delusions but some are worse than others, and if the governing body's delusions of believing they are spoke person for jehovah are deep then they can not learn from their mistakes,, at least not when true honesty is involved.

this delusion will color things so heavily and cause them to play loose with the truth even to their own selves that learning from mistakes is out of the question for them,, i think this pathetic double get more generation time new light,, kind of gives you an idea that they ain't all right up stairs so it looks like we will be able watch them go from one blunder to another as they seem to be on auto pilot because of this delusion they have...

superpunk

They're old, dumb, and they live in a bubble.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

superpunk

Maybe we aren't meshing here because we have different ideas on what knowing Jesus personally means?

It means what it's always meant.

i.e. I know my wife personally. We talk, we know alot about each other, I can reach her anytime I want to, etc.

I do not know President Obama personally. While I know alot about him and who he is, we don't talk, we've never met, he doesn't know who I am, etc.

notacaptive;

Again you're making the mistake of thinking I'm discussing doctrinal differences among Christians. I'm not, as I've specified numerous times.

It becomes obvious upon such an examination that Christians do not "know" or have a "personal relationship with" Jesus in the traditional and obvious sense. If they did, we wouldn't have the discord about even simple topics that we see among the faithful.

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Sister back from St. Louis Convention. New Light is just wonderful she says.

by outlander in

jw
friends

my sister went to the st. louis mo.

convention because she has an old nonwitness friend there she can stay with.

we are in georgia.

superpunk

Never assume that believers are bound by reason or logic more than they are bound by adherence to their assumptions, when trying to have a conversation with them.

In their mind, if it's New Light, this is the direction Jehovah wants the GB to send the doctrine in - rational analyzation of the explanation offered need not occur AT ALL - all that must be done is accept and, if you're really a good believer, praise the decision.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

superpunk

If YOU were God and your friend asked you a question and you gave him/her a reply, a reply coming from GOD, would he'she take it as advice? suggestion? opinion or commandment?

And how does one decide for oneself, exercise free will when GOD Commands?

This changes the topic of conversation from;

"How does God feel about X?" (according to his pals who know him and talk to him)

to

"How do God's pals feel about how God feels about X?"

I've no desire to get into that.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

superpunk

Second part is that Jesus was silent on many topics currently debated. He expected us to act in love, and that can mean different things. I personally think that this means rules get thrown out the window, and each situation should be considered on its own merit- keeping love and mercy foremost in mind. If you have love and mercy within you, then you will act in accordance to it. No rule can stand against that or even replace that. I mentioned this earlier in the thread.

I'm not talking about what was recorded about what Jesus said. The bible may as well not exist for this discussion, although I understand it is difficult to separate the Christ from the Bible. I am trying to talk about Christians who claim to know Jesus personally.

In a close and personal relationship that you have had with another person, did/do you believe that you know that person inside and out, 100%? And do you believe that every person who shared a close relationship with that same person would see things in the exact, 100% way as you do?

Of course not - but if it is a person I actually know, I am certainly capable of asking what their view is on any subject, and receiving an answer that I can relay to anyone who might ask. Christians appear to be completely incapable of doing the same when it comes to Christ.