on what basis do you make the claim that the leadership of the jw's, aka governing body, is the organization god is and has been working through continuously since 1919?.
The original Bible cannon was sealed the in the first century.
WOW. Absolutely incredible. Talk about JW ignorance. Bible scholars indeed.
I don't even BELIEVE in the bible and I know more about it than the JWs.
Pretty much the whole world knows more than JW's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon#Closing_of_the_canons
- Lime
i was with a group of my co-workers.
we work with people who have addictions.
one woman in our huddle was going off about how everyone in the room as tried weed.
I have what seems to be an in-born aversion to anything smoking related.
Who said you have to smoke it? I just want to understand what movies made in the 60's/70's were about... Like Heavy Metal (ok... 81.. still trippin), and that clock thing...
- Lime
i was with a group of my co-workers.
we work with people who have addictions.
one woman in our huddle was going off about how everyone in the room as tried weed.
I'm saving MJ for my 40's. My policy is to only introduce one new addiction per decade. For now I'm good with the vodka (I never drank a drop until I was 29.) :P
- Lime
help needed on this thread.
lady lee- who are you, and what's your story?.
madjw thinks the wts' policy is sufficient to deal wtih cases of sexual abuse of children.
It's one thing to attack injustice and hypocrisy in an organized religion - that's exactly what Russel did, and the JW's praise him for it.
It's quite another to attack a person.
This mentality is far too common among Jehovah's Witnesses - they are SO eager to cast that first stone. (See: Reproving, "judicial committees", disfellowshiping, marking, bad association, etc., etc., etc.) JW's couldn't have missed the mark of Jesus message more if they tried. Jesus specifically commanded his followers to stop judging. Jesus direct commandments should supersede everything else - including the opinions of his apostles, no?
I hope anyone reading these recent threads see exactly how the WT corrupts the biblical message, the spirit, and the mind.
- Lime
since they have fingered you as a mod, you should have a very interesting tale to tell; please do!.
I feel the need to point something out here and I could be totally off base and if so then many sorry's to everyone, but our friend WW is usually very cool. It seems to be this issue that really pushes his button. that is almost always a sure sign that it is very personal. He may have some very personal and deeply troubling experiances with the org and its policies on child abuse and he is dealing with it emotionally rather than logically. I would cut him some slack...
My father - an elder my entire life, and P.O. most of that time - also seems to take the issue very personal. Anytime I bring it up, he is EXTREMELY defensive of the WT position. It wouldn't suprise me if he needs to see it as a morally sound policy at this point (in the sense that he may be aware he's made some people's situations much worse).
- Lime
i have been doing some research on the early presidents of the wt and the gb.
i was struck that as far as i can discover, there is no record of any of them (russell, rutherford, f. franz) having children?
have any of the subsequent presidents had any children, or any of the current gb members?.
Guy Pierce has children and grand-children. Heard a few stories about their 'super-strict' grandfather, but nothing unusual for a strict C.O. type really.
- Lime
some posters here still attend jehovah's witness meetings.
my challenge to you is..... next time you see a parent beating a human child in public at the kingdom hall, when there are two witnesses - you and one other - call 911 or the police, and report the parent by name, for child abuse..
I think a lot of parents use spanking because it is quick, and effective to a point. We evolved from animals, and our brain learns quick when an action causes an strong immediate positive or negative result. 'Pain' is something we evolved to learn from - it stimulates neurons in a very specific way and can immediately change the 'weight' of neural pathways. Pain results in a very specific type of behavioral training which is very strong.
If the result of an action is a negative consequence later on - there is a disconnect. The intellect may undestand the cause & effect, but the neurons are not trained. When neurons are trained - as soon as a child considers a behavior, the neurons scream 'don't do it!'. If only the intellect is aware, then the child must give thought to what they are about to do, and what happened in the long-run last time. If the child doesn't stop and carefully consider their actions (and they won't usually) they'll keep repeating the same behaviors. I think neural training can still be achieved, but it'll be a lot slower without pain as the motivator. There may be other ways to invoke a 'shock to the system' or 'all stop' sensation that would train the neurons.. have to think on that. Examining myself, I can spot behaviors that were both trained by a single painful or pleasurable event, as well as behaviors that were learned over time, and are just as automatic.
Parents that do choose to use physical pain to train their child should always stop to think about what they are about to do. It should not be automatic to just hit your child anytime they do the wrong thing or are embarassing you. When you cause pain, you are programming the neurons of the child. If you use that technique at the wrong time, it will be very difficult to unprogram. What is wrong for a child at 4 may be ok at 12. Spanking a child for drawing on a wall might be interpretted by the neurons as 'drawing = bad'.
While physical discipline can therefore be effective in creating that immediate 'no!' response in the brain - preventing the behavior from even being considered, I must also agree with the non-violent posters here. I think it's a serious double-standard, and while it may have been an effective tool for animals to learn to avoid life-threatening actions immediately - I think as sentient beings we should consider the negative, long-term effects to the intellect which are not so obvious, as well as the potential for accidental, often unknown, mis-training. I would hope we would want to evolve past violence - and what better place to start than at the beginning of life?
I would urge parents to look for ways to discipline that balance both the neural training as well as intellectual training. There are likely effective ways to build both the neural and intellectual behavior without violence - but they will require love and effort on the parent's part to find, and what is effective will likely be a little different for each child.
- Lime
since they have fingered you as a mod, you should have a very interesting tale to tell; please do!.
Mad: The elders should do what professionals do - Sex crimes against minors are a matter for the police. Police detectives have years of training, experience, and are required to study these sort of cases. Elders should immediately urge the parents to call the police, or do it themselves. You know - the responsible thing to do.
The 'good name' of potential molesters or WT corporate trademarks should be the LAST concern. To think you hold these things above protecting vulnerable children is disgusting. If the claim is false - THAT can be determined by professionals. It can NOT be determined by a bunch of local window-washers, who's instruction comes from a single chapter in a single book - written by uneducated 80 year-old men (who are senile enough to believe god hand-picked them to rule with him in heaven).
- Lime
since they have fingered you as a mod, you should have a very interesting tale to tell; please do!.
Men aren't the only sexual abusers.
I just want to re-iterate this because it's so often over-looked. My ex-wife's abuser was a pioneer sister who "loved to babysit". After she molested my ex (as a young child) my ex told her parents, who told the elders. The elders said they couldn't trust my ex on her word alone, and that her parents shouldn't call the police or tell anyone, but they should 'peacefully' stop letting the woman babysit their daughter. (The elders specifically told her parents not to go to the police.)
My ex later found out that the woman molested at least 7 other girls, including 3 of her best friends. Last we heard, she was still a pioneer.
- Lime
casting aside what little you learned about god and christ- are you thrilled with the future of mankind?.
For ONCE we agree, Lime...
Lol, Just don't let it happen again.
- Lime
