Umm, where's the cat in that one, john?
Forget looking for a cat.. did you see the girl?
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Umm, where's the cat in that one, john?
Forget looking for a cat.. did you see the girl?
i read on an ex-jws italian forum that in certain congregations witnesses are getting rid of their hello kitty toys.
the reason?
well, it's because the hello kitty is mouthless ... and that's how the "story" (the metropolitan legend) goes: .
PS: Did you know they sell Hello Kitty brand vibrators? Hello kitty indeed.
In my case, since childhood I've honestly found evolution facinating. I was the kind of kid that was playing with fractal algorithms on his TI graphic calculator in 8th grade. A total math dork.
So.. when I first heard of evolution, and looked at the 'fractal' nature of the world (the way organic creatures repeat certain patterns), I found evolution well.. obvious.
Of course, being a good little JW, I pretended not to notice all that. But when I started to question things a little more, it was the first thing I investigated - was the evidence for evolution really as poor as the watchtower made it out to be?
I was in complete awe when I really started to study it. Evolution is the very essence of simplicity. Elegant and simple mathmatical rules leading to complex results. Creationism is a bungled mess of excuses and exceptions in comparison.
Of course, the obvious question that bothered me since I was a little kid was the standard "If logic dictates that because we are complex, we require a creator.. then by that same logic, any creator sophisticated enough to create us also demands an even greater creator." (Enter excuse/exception #1)
- Lime
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Ha ha, that's awesome. Where's my cat?...
- Lime
Heh, I knew someone would make an issue out of the use of the word 'believe'. Good, now i don't have to.
Anyway, I select 1.
- Lime
jehovah`s witness`s have the most stable marriages..very few jehovah`s witness`s cheat on thier mates..most jehovah`s witness`s stay married for thier entire lifes to the same person..jehovah`s witness`s have the happiest marriages!..becoming jehovah`s witness`s,has saved many marriages..................................................my experience has taught me none of that is true.................what is your experience?............................outlaw.
From the statistics I've heard, if in a group of 100 people, there is one divorce every two years, then that group is divorcing at the national average rate.
In the three halls I've been, there have been roughly one divorce every six months, or 4x the national average (Those things often come in waves, so consider the average over 10 years or so).
I've been through a typical JW marriage. Married one of the few people I knew based on 'spiritual reasons'. Then we both grew up, and realized our marriage was based on a bunch of limiting religious factors, rather than love.
- Lime
buddhism would be my choice ....
"... it is the "Christian" nations that developed technology..."
It was also the Chrisitans who killed Galilaos for his (correct) idea that the world was not the center of the universe... and the same Christians that deny humans evolved in complete ignorance of the fossil and DNA evidence that continues to mount year after year.
Faith is a deliberate excersise in ignorance. To intentionally choose to ignorethe facts - to close your ears and minds to them.. so that you can continue believing in something that blatantly contradicts those facts. As Dawkins put it - Faith is a "process of non-thinking".
Really, it all boils down to fear. Most humans fear death - they want a happy story to listen to so they don't have to mentally accept death. You might not like it, but you will die. I gaurentee it. Lights out, dirt nap. Worms eating your body. The end.
Our genetic material however.. now that just could be immortal.
- Lime
buddhism would be my choice ....
I have been touched by his noodly appendage! He touched me in a naughty place! (but the worse part was, he didn't call back.)
Atheism isn't generally useful.
Is religion "generally useful"? If so.. for what? Controlling people? Telling them what to believe, what to think, on behalf of a few narrow-minded individuals who fear social change? Imagine a world where it was easy to do what is right. Where people didn't struggle against their own nature and hormones because it was socially acceptable to be ourselves. Does religion actually provide that? Or does it create rules that contradict our instincts?
Civilizations need myths, not facts.
Care to prove it? I, of course, disagree. Knowledge is power. Realizing that our purpose has not been pre-destined, and that it is up to us, as humans, to decide and act upon the whole destiny of all life on Earth.. what greater purpose could there be? We have a responsiblity to all other creatures in the Earth's family tree. We have to decide what purpose all life will serve, and what purpose we as individuals will serve. The earth is a complex living creature in it's own right - with material needs and oragans - and we humans form it's collective neural network. What does religion have to offer that compares to that? Some rules? Some old traditions founded in the ignorance of ages we've long moved past?
If TRUTH is the best policy, then why don't we teach the TRUTH about the strong fossil and DNA evidence for evolution, and drop all the ignorant bullshit?
- Lime
PS: Who is likely to commit a crime? The person without hope, or the person without physical opportunity?
of their dastardly wrong "new light"?.
i was just thinking.....
There is no need to take illegal action. The information age will expose them for what they are. We just have to work and wait for it.
- Lime
that is the bottom line for a witness.
i have tried so many times to reason with witnesses, and they react the same as i did almost all my life.
the only success i am having is hopefully planting some seeds, because that worked with me, over a period of time.. many threads on here describe reasonings and great points designed to "wake up" witnesses.
Q. We don't go to war
A. Yes but we reap the benefits of those who did. Also aren't we allowed to defend ourselves if attacked? Then where do we draw the line? If our neighbour is attacked, will we defend them? If our street is attacked, will we defend? Our town? Our Country? Surely our conscience should decide.
[... etc...]
Wow.. great post, boyzone. I'll have to save that.
- Lime