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  Some help for MadJW: Video : Did the disciples go door to door?

  by chrisjoel in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esw8mkal6mw.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfa8ew6rl2s.

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  donuthole

  Sure... "evidently" with bookbags full of mass-produced scrolls they handed out to the householders...

  Oh you saw the new DVD too. I LOL'd over the incredulity of that scene.
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  Waiting on the faithful and discreet slave b.s...

  by DJPoetech in

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  i was just considering what really made me question the witnesses enough to investigate them and search other sources for information.. they often say stuff about "waiting on jehovah" or "wait for the brothers".

  i got concerned because the witnesses were getting between my brain and my mouth.

  that was way too close for comfort without a good reason why.

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  donuthole

  I thoroughly disagree with the term "waiting on Jehovah". To me waiting implies inaction. However if one doesn't believe a doctrine of the GB they are not given the liberty to even silent dissent. They cannot simply sit back and wait for a correction. No, they must actively promote a teaching they believe to be false, at the door, from the stage, and in the home.

  Secondly, this is another example of where GB serves as "Jehovah" by proxy. This is a position that they were not placed in and have seized thereby becoming an idol.
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  Jehovahs Witnesses: the only organization preaching the good news !

  by chrisjoel in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hisblir_2sw.

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  donuthole

  Even if JW did have the correct "good news" I would really question how much they are preaching it. In all of my hours in the door-to-door work the subject rarely was addressed. More often it was "Hello my name is Anthony and I am just sharing with you and your neighbors this wonderful article from the Awake! magazine, "How to train your dog." I noticed that you have a dog chain in your yard ... "
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  Did the first Christians worship Jesus?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?

  the new testament evidence.

  his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.

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  Any a cursory reading of the NT will reveal marked differences between Jehovah's Witnesses and the Christians of that day. Within the religion today you will looked down upon for speaking the name of Jesus too much whereas the early Christians had no such problem. When it came to their community and ministry, Jesus was their focus.

  I think because of their opposition to the Trinity doctrine JW's have a stigma for giving honor and attention to Jesus. JW's have admitted that in the past they removed many of the songs that focused on Jesus so that it would be a much smaller ratio to songs about Jehovah. Today he is just a foot-note. Using the forementioned example of the songbook, the previous release featured more songs glorifying the door-to-door work than about Christ. The newest version goes even further and takes away Christ and interjects the faithful and discreet slave.

  Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through me." Sometimes I feel that JW's believe they have found a hidden back door.
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  Did the first Christians worship Jesus?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?

  the new testament evidence.

  his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.

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  donuthole

  Debator,

  So if the word has multiple meanings why does the NWT choose to say that a man did obeisance to Jesus and that John worshipped the angel and not the other way around?
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  Would being seen volunteering for the ACLU be cause for a JC?

  by serenitynow! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm going to be doing some volunteering for a local branch of the aclu at an art festival tomorrow.

  i'll be talking to people about the work of the aclu, providing brochures, etc.

  i will have on an aclu shirt- there is a possibility that there may even be a flag on it .

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  donuthole

  An interesting question. I do know that the leaders of the JW's use the ACLU when they feel their religious rights are being encroached upon. Not sure how they would feel about the rank-and-file doing volunteer work for what may be seen as a political organization.
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  Did the first Christians worship Jesus?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?

  the new testament evidence.

  his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.

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  donuthole

  Debator

  When a man bows down before Jesus the NWT says he is doing "obeisance" when John bows down before an angel the NWT says he is "worshipping". It is the same act, same Greek word, what is the difference? Again back to my statement, why do the translators choose to render the same word/action in two different ways?
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  Did the first Christians worship Jesus?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?

  the new testament evidence.

  his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.

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  donuthole

  I would like an explanation from debator as to how "obeisance" differs from "worship" and what criteria is used when translating Proskuneo one way or the other. As I see it the NWT simply uses "obeisance" in all cases where Jesus is the recipient despite the context.
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  Did you throw ALOTS of old WT/AW magazines in the trash while you were a loyal dub?

  by asilentone in

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  donuthole

  It would be funny if the did a JW episode of that Hoarders TV show where they go into the house and it is wall to wall literature with a narrow path running through each room.
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  Avoiding the Meeting

  by brotherdan in

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  2. friends

  so, darth plaugeis (or however you spell it) has suggested that the best way to get out of going to the meeting is to tell your wife that it's time to get ready for the meeting, and when her back is turned hit her over the head with a large object.. i'm sure there are better ways to get out of going.

  i'm looking for some real ideas here.

  " i like the whole getting your wife (or husband) drunk before the meeting so they won't want to go idea.

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  donuthole

  Women can always claim "cramps".