Here is a newer book that just came out that focuses on the year 381 and the historical development of the Trinity doctrine, particularly as it was shaped and supported by the weight of the Roman empire.
donuthole
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Christians explain? Jews never believed in a Trinity even today so how/when did it start?
by Witness 007 injews for thousands of years have believed in their "one god" so i always wondered if in jesus time this was the view, how and when did the trinity start?
did jesus start it off?
are you saying jews were trinitarian?
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donuthole
rutherford did but knorr brougt em back
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New Songbook Songs for download at JW.org
by cattails inthe new songbook's songs piano arrangement and the choral voice versions are available for download at http://www.jw.org/
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donuthole
Can add these to the list -- a bunch more
"Gaining Jehovah's Friendship
Sharing Joyfully In The Harvest
Proof of Discipleship
Make The Truth Your Own
Join in the Kingdom Song
What Sort of Person's Ought We To Be?
Keep On Seeking First The Kingdom
A Victory Song
Our Possesion of Peace
Worship Jehovah During Youth
Welcome One Another!
Take Sides With Jehovah!
Move ahead!
Life Everlasting is Promised
The Lord's Evening Meal
Jehovah Provider of Escape
The Power of Kindness
Living Up To OUr Name
From House to House
Fear Them Not!
Christian Dedication
Loyally Submitting to Theocratic Order
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New Songbook Songs for download at JW.org
by cattails inthe new songbook's songs piano arrangement and the choral voice versions are available for download at http://www.jw.org/
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donuthole
It is interesting the character of some of the misty-eyed new songs that speak of growing old, dying, or appreciating the patience of God in delaying the end. A bit difference than the older tunes that had the theocratic nation marching triumphant into the new system.
I also have a brief research question --
Can anyone recall which songs (if any) in the current (brown) song book mention the name of Jesus? The songs about Christ that I can recall, such as "Hail Jehovah's First Born", don't speak of the name of Jesus. Would be curious if the new book continues the trend of eliminating the name of Christ.
EDIT: In answer to my above question --
Here are some songs that mention the name Jesus in the old book, 134, 101, 139, 122, 115, 106, 22, 168, 147, 123. Without lookin at potential lyric changes the new book only retains 123 - "Move Ahead", which mentions Jesus in the verse, " There is a place in the service for all;
It is the work Jesus did, you'll recall."EDIT: In answer to my above answer :-)
Looks like my list above isn't complete. :-)
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New Songbook Songs for download at JW.org
by cattails inthe new songbook's songs piano arrangement and the choral voice versions are available for download at http://www.jw.org/
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donuthole
"ever loyal to their guidance
when our brothers take the lead
when they give us their direction
may our minds and heart give head"yep
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Were You Treated Like Crap By The "Brothers" and "Sisters"?
by minimus inwere you and your family well received in the congregation or were you treated like crap?.
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donuthole
minimus - I think I was eating one at the time I signed up. Truly inspired.
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Were You Treated Like Crap By The "Brothers" and "Sisters"?
by minimus inwere you and your family well received in the congregation or were you treated like crap?.
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donuthole
Growing up I was the son of the PO and our family was liked and treated pretty well. Later my dad was reproved so we lost quite a bit of status. Later as an adult I was treated well enough, though I didn't have a position in the congregation so I wasn't quite on the a-list and very involved socially. When I started to partake they started treated me like crap. LOL - "crap" was the exact words that a MS, formerly a good friend, used to describe me.
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Beard stories. Nothing but beards.
by Open mind ini've done a jwn search on beards and had some great reads.. i've learned the history of russell vs. rutherford and knorr and the hippies.. here's what i'd like to hear about.. either you or someone you know who grew a beard and the fallout because of it.. for me, i'd love to hear about the squeaky clean elder who decided to grow a beard and got removed because of it.. katie kitten, from england, on another thread told the story of her dad, the squeaky clean elder who grew a beard in the 70's and got away with it.. i don't think that would happen in california 2009.. anyway, what are your beard stories?.
i'm all ears.
(and my ears are freshly plucked.
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donuthole
I looked up beards in the CD-ROM and could find no real prohibition of them. What I did find was as quite a bit of subtle and not-so-subtle condemnation. Even the "Watching the World" would have news blurbs about corporations that banned beards for professional appearance or factory workers for safety reasons.
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Beard stories. Nothing but beards.
by Open mind ini've done a jwn search on beards and had some great reads.. i've learned the history of russell vs. rutherford and knorr and the hippies.. here's what i'd like to hear about.. either you or someone you know who grew a beard and the fallout because of it.. for me, i'd love to hear about the squeaky clean elder who decided to grow a beard and got removed because of it.. katie kitten, from england, on another thread told the story of her dad, the squeaky clean elder who grew a beard in the 70's and got away with it.. i don't think that would happen in california 2009.. anyway, what are your beard stories?.
i'm all ears.
(and my ears are freshly plucked.
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donuthole
No beards in my midwest USA area but the black brothers got by with "soul" patches. Mustaches were not uncommon.
For a kick look at the progression of the "bible study" in the "What Does God Require Brochure?". The study loses his airbrushed on sideburns as he qualifies for field service.
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Giving Arrangements Promoted by the WTS
by besty ini'm looking for scans, links or original publications or even cd-rom quotes from the articles telling people how they can donate land, wills, property etc to the wts.
was there even an entire specialised publication just on this topic?.
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donuthole
I remember that KM article. Even as a JW I saw the flaw in their "suggested" donation. The costs associated with those materials go to pay profit to the writer/artist, printer, distributer, and seller. As a non-profit organization that self performs all these activities the cost should be lower.
Speaking of 50 Cent, Of course this is the same organization that charged .50 for can of generic lemon-lime soda I could buy at the supermarket for .20