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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

donuthole

No matter what i say it makes no difference so i'm not going to say anything.

Honestly, one of things I learned early on is keeping to Jesus example in keeping ones mouth shut - remaining silent when we are falsely accused. Sometimes when we are attacked and attempt to respond to defend ourselves it falls into self-justification. As it is written, "Who will accuse; who the Lord has justified?" His opinion really is the only one that matters and if you are OK in his book it doesn't matter what opposers may say. Leave it in his hand - he can defend you or have others speak up on your behalf.

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Young JW's

by XPeterX in

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from what i've noticed 'wordly' teens or very young adults won't follow jw's.most teens/young jw's are born in,so boasting about the theocratic youth is actually boasting about jw children lol..

donuthole

The annual growth figures only capture publishers. This is important because practically all children born to JW parents will become publishers before they are teenager. Some (maybe most) will get baptized. But those that leave or are DF'd in the late teens early twenties is extreme.

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How does a person move up in the WTS?

by Libelle in

i guess i should have said, "how does a man move up" since they're a male-only ruling class.... what does it take to become an elder, and so on up?

i don't really think the mr. is in the running for any special titles, but just in case in the future something along these lines happens, how does the hierarchy work?

(probably not a true consideration, being that he's married to me, but hey, i'm sure stranger things have happened).. .

donuthole

1.) Be a man.

2.) Pioneer.

If you are not a pioneer the highest level you can reasonably hope to attain is elder.

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E-WATCHMAN!!!!!!!

by wha happened? in

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i've been away for some time checking in on a few occasions.

i settled in tonight, decided to log in and see what's new and bam!

right on the top of the page is an advertisement for e-watchman.

donuthole

While his website is an easy stepping stone for those coming out of the WT, fortunately I would say that e-Watchman doesn't have a very good track record at retaining followers. His hyprocisy is readily apparent. He does a pretty good job of exposing the fallacies of Watchtower prophecy regarding 1914, etc. The problem for him is, without the WT prophetic framework he has no real answer as to exactly how Jehovah's Witnesses are God's modern day organization. Further he encourages his followers to remain in the Organization, which requires that they join him in his hyprocisy by publically teaching about things (1914) that they know to be false. Consider that he himself claims to be "anointed", of the Body of Christ, and yet attends the JW memorial and rejects the emblems. This truly is the case of the blind leading to blind.

@Essan - that really was a good illustration.

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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

jw
friends

my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

donuthole

This thread is interesting if not a bit disheartening.

What is interesting to me is that I have seen the same attitudes displayed on "christian" forums as on this one where many claim to be atheist/agnostic. The typical response is:

1.) Angry attacks or mocking, which is often (and strangely) out of character for those that are engaging in them.
2.) Accusations that the person is attempting to say they are better, superior, special. This comes, even if the person is claiming that everyone has the opportunity to experience such.
3.) Accusations that the person is mentally ill; which is often couched in a faux concern for the person's general well-being.

It is disheartening to see such an attack because a person makes the simple claim that they heard the voice of the Lord which told them to pursue love and kindness. If only we all opened our ears to such reminders the world would be much more bearable place. For those who have attacked and ridicule I would ask yourself, what it is about faith that makes you behave in such an ugly manner, when you normally are such lovely individuals.

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Did the WT return to "old light" regarding the "overlapping" concept? Wt 9-1-52

by AndersonsInfo in

recently, i was sent the following information and asked--was i aware of the 1952 overlapping concept regarding the "generation" teaching?

did the watch tower return to "old light" ?

see below link from a jw website and article from watchtower, sept. 1, 1952. what do you think?http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/2010/08/27/the-overlap-jehovahs-witness-consistency/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=feed%3a+jehovahswitnessnews+%28jehovah%27s+witness+news%29.

donuthole

I don't know if the WT was teaching a 33 year generation or a 40 year generation at this time. Either way this may been simply a way to prop up the failed (or failing) teaching in 1952 until they decided to go a different direction. (Teenagers -> children -> babies)

As for the new teaching, it seems that the WT writers are simply drawing from the well of old teachings with a fresh new twist. This is similar to how the previous generation teaching pulled from the 1920's, dusted off, and upgraded.

I don't see though what the justification is to limit this to two overlaps other than to draw up end-time nearness hysteria until the teaching once again needs to be expanded upon.

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SERIOUS QUESTION: just how many demons will fit inside a person?

by Terry in

are demons big or little?

do they take up space?.

do they infest our cells and peer out like they are trapped inside a jelly bean?.

donuthole

Bitterness, anger, grief, and self-loathing are very big things and yet they fit comfortably within a person.

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What Is The True Gospel Message?

by wannabe in

what is the true gospel message?.

jehovah's witnesses believe that their preaching of this, "good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.

" is an authorized work by jehovah god!

donuthole

Jesus said directly to the apostles, "this good news". What good news? It was the same good news that Jesus preached and the same one that he had previously sent them out to preach.

I like this -->

The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord

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Meaning of "Generation"

by brotherdan in

i'd like to give my opinion on what jesus use of the word "generation" means, and then ask all of you to post what you think it may mean.. the wt seems to be obsessed with the concept of a scripture having multiple meanings.

while i think this can be true, they go overboard with the concept.

primarily matthew 24 was speaking of the events that took place in 70 c.e.

donuthole

I think the clearest explanation is to apply those words to events leading up to the destruction of the temple in 70 CE. The whole conversation was prefaced by Jesus statement that the temple would be destroyed and the disciples question, "When will these things take place?"

However I don't think the idea of multiple fulfillments can be discounted. Why? In giving his prophecy, Jesus references Daniel's prophecy about catching sight of the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place. The thing is that this had already been fulfilled once before with during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, which you can read about in 1 Maccabbees.

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BOE LTR (PDF) Brazen Conduct !!!

by yknot in

i apologize to those in the vincinity of my spad's ladies bathroom....... yes!

oh my gaud!

give it to me baby!

donuthole

It will be interesting to see if the new manual is even more anemic then the previous with extra-extra wide margins for writing down the explicit instructions they are going to receive at the new school. The most damning things have in the past been relayed orally so that the WT can have plausible deniability if ever taken to task, or court.

Where possible (and legal), I would highly encourage any elders reading this to make an audio recording of the school. Even if you have no use for such now you never know in the future when things might change. It is important that some record be made of the instructions that are given, especially when they effect millions of lives.

I will also add that at this time Wikileaks has the best track record for being able to keep confidential information online. For instance mormon leadership attempted to unsuccessfully censor the release of their own elder's manual on wikileaks using the same copywrite abuse that the Watchtower used to keep the previous elder manual off the Internet. If you have anything of value, such as letters like this, please consider submitting it to them.