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  Round here we stay up very, very, very, very late I cant see nothing, nothing round here Catch me if I'm falling . . .

  by nicolaou in

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  step out the front door like a ghost into the fog where no one notices the contrast of white on white.

  and in between the moon and you the angels get a better view of the crumbling difference between wrong and right .

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  cattails

  alli, en donde hace mas calor, entre rosas y jazmines, yo te vi mi corazón, y nunca corté ni una rosa ni un jazmin, por no enterrar los recuerdos del amor que yo te di.

  "El Rey de tus sueños" por Zalo Reyes
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  The guy that claimed he was going to bring down the WTBTS

  by Scarred for life in

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  i haven't been on the board for several weeks until yesterday.

  there was a guy that was a regular poster that was starting some kind of email campaign that he claimed was going to bring down the wtbts.

  i can't remember his name.

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  btt
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  "Congregation Collapse Disorder" or "Congregation Publisher Depopulation Syndrome"

  by cattails in

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  on another thread:http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/183305/3/the-guy-that-claimed-he-was-going-to-bring-down-the-wtbtsi posted some information i'd like to split into it's own discussion: .

  "congregation collapse disorder" or "congregation publisher depopulation syndrome".

  the ccd problem is clearly obvious when worker bees disappear, fade away, go away, pass away.. every congregation of jw's has publishers that pass away due to illness and aging.

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  Thank you those are excellent responses and thanks for noting where some of the ideas need work, I appreciate that.

  The single biggest threat to the WTS is "the truth," the "truth" of their history and their fear-mongering ways, the simple "truth" to counteract their present "Truth" of ever changing, flip flopping doctrines and dates.
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  "Congregation Collapse Disorder" or "Congregation Publisher Depopulation Syndrome"

  by cattails in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  on another thread:http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/183305/3/the-guy-that-claimed-he-was-going-to-bring-down-the-wtbtsi posted some information i'd like to split into it's own discussion: .

  "congregation collapse disorder" or "congregation publisher depopulation syndrome".

  the ccd problem is clearly obvious when worker bees disappear, fade away, go away, pass away.. every congregation of jw's has publishers that pass away due to illness and aging.

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  cattails

  On another thread:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/183305/3/The-guy-that-claimed-he-was-going-to-bring-down-the-WTBTS

  I posted some information I'd like to split into it's own discussion:

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  "Congregation Collapse Disorder" or "Congregation Publisher Depopulation Syndrome"

  The CCD problem is clearly obvious when worker bees disappear, fade away, go away, pass away.

  Every congregation of JW's has publishers that pass away due to illness and aging. Some fade away

  because of being disenchanted or disinterested, stumbled or abused. Others go away due to DF/DAing.

  It is natural for congregations to lose publishers from time to time and each new brood of publishers

  takes time and effort to bring forth. When the mass of seemingly productive healthy publishers goes

  down below a certain point, contributions to the Society will likely result in their being disbanded and

  other congregations taking in whoever is left.

  Some of the problems related to congregation failure that may be suggested are:

  * Pressure from aggressive evangelizers invading the territory.

  * Parasite "students" and "needy" publishers draining the energy of individuals in congregation.

  * Regulations used against trespassers affects congregation publishers.

  * Overworked publishers who spend ever more money and time in field service.

  * Too much reliance on foreign language groups and foreign branches for numbers growth.

  * Changes in cultural climate.

  Let's justify each of the above categories:

  * Pressure from aggressive evangelizers invading the territory.

  Imagine the effect of one Church in the local area that devotes time to witness in the territory against the WT and the local KH, with pamphlets, with free Bibles, with free Bible Studies and promises to teach the Truth of the Gospel without subservience to a Religious Publishing Corporation.
  Some Churches are actively seeking how to help ExJWs and JWs http://www.channelc.org/ChCForum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=1031

  * Parasite "students" and "needy" publishers draining the energy of individuals in congregation.

  Imagine the effect of a group of volunteers in a local area sending in Study Requests to the Branch, receiving calls, only to show up and nobody is there, and then get calls to KH saying why nobody has visited? Write Branch requesting why nobody visits. If they come again, be an HBH (home but hiding). If you want the challenge invite them on a first call, call every night with a different question. Say you've been looking things in the Internet and want sincere answers to your questions. Be "needy" ask for help, ask for elders telephone/cellphone numbers call them, ask questions. Leave messages with wives, if they call back, use CID and don't answer. Leave a message again the next day why nobody has called, write the Branch that nobody calls back. If you can stand it get involved in a weekly study and request free literature from publisher, ask for expensive books, Proclaimers, Insight volumes, LARGE PRINT 4 volume NWT, Chinese Pin-Yin Bible, Diaglott, KIT NT, write in requesting Braille. Request large print items to place with your elderly grandma. Don't contribute via publisher. Visit KH if you have to, put in blank piece of paper or better yet, a Beth Sarim check or CT Russell dollar bill into contribution box.

  * Regulations used against trespassers affects congregation publishers.

  Imagine a campaign to give away free signs that keep away unwanted Religious Literature Publishers, call it the Neighbors Outreach Against Unsolicited Religious Literature, and the signs could read "RELIGIOUS LITERATURE PUBLISHERS KEEP OUT! PRIVATE PROPERTY: NO TRESPASSING FOR RELIGIOUS SOLICITATION. And accompany these signs with contacts who would take down infractions, make records of these unsolicited visits, and help contact authorities.

  * Overworked publishers who spend ever more money and time in field service.

  Imagine if you added to the field service chore if you requested a visit to some outlaying territory, only the car group runs into a N.O.A.U.R.L. Keep Out/No Trespassing sign, and there's nobody home except a video camera recording the infringement of posted request for no trespassing. Follow up by complaining about call.

  * Too much reliance on foreign language groups and foreign branches for numbers growth.

  Imagine if you had pamphlets in foreign languages, Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, photocopied and given to Restaurant help and other businesses in area, reach out to people with foreign names in telephone book and warn about Religious Literature Publishers from the local KH. Don't just be content with having them say No to the WT, but actually have them contact relatives and warn them.

  * Changes in cultural climate.

  Imagine if you could use networking sites to expose active Publishers to Truths about the WTS. If they responded favorably encourage them, keep them as an asset for cause, ask if they'd be a mole. Those that oppose and are too brainwashed, print out chats, MySpace pages, photos, etc. and send to local elders, but not only them, also send out to older single sisters undergoing menopause. Expose school age publishers to materials from Combatting Mind Control, Crisis of Conscience, In Search for Christian Freedom. Give rebellious teenagers the fuel of Truth against the WTS.

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  A congregation which could collapse from CCD would be characterized by these conditions:

  • Complete absence of mature publishers in meetings for field service, with little or no building-up of the publishers by the elders.
  • Absence of young ones at meetings. Get teens to actively witness to teens against the WTS with photocopies and proofs of WTS fumbling dates and flip-flops.
  • Presence of overstocking of literature, going unused and sitting on shelf at literature counter.

  Precursor symptoms that may arise before the final congregation collapse are:

• Insufficient publishers to maintain meetings for field service.
• Insufficient funds at end of month to cover KH expenses.
• Counter-publishing workforce seems to be made up of young publishers with a bent on rebelling against WTS.
• The congregation members are reluctant to consume religious literature and attend meetings.

anti-remedies

The following are creative recommendations for increasing the symptoms of CCD.

1. Combining of collapsing cogregations with strong congregations, will expose the strong congregation to disorder.
2. When a congregation collapses make sure to arrange for new congregation to have have access to reasons why other congregation failed.
3. Feeding local publishers juicy gossip about congregation members.
4. Congregations experiencing problems receive visits from CO, or even better, from DO, receive complaints about elders, pioneers, exemplary publishers who aren't so exemplary.

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